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 May 7 2009, 10:11 AM
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HR 2  Group: Active Members Posts: 47 Joined: 25-April 06 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 03:48 PM Member No.: 11,502  |
I have recently been introduced to the term "grey hat" SEO. It's basically a combination of white and black hat, hence the name.
It seems like a logical idea to me: Sometimes sites do all of the hard-work that is encouraged such as frequently updating their site with unique content, but a competitor with a weak site might have one high PR link that causes them to be at the top. So say somebody has a site that is updated on a daily basis with unique, interesting and dynamic content, and the site as a whole is a great site, but it needs that extra push. Is there anything wrong with purchasing a link from a related, high PR website or two? Would Google be able to penalise for that link? If so, how woulf there be any way for them to find out? And why wouldn't they penalise for a banner advert, isn't it exactly the same thing? |
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May 7 2009, 10:25 AM
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HR 1 Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 7-May 09 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 10:48 AM Member No.: 25,742 |
The only way that I am aware of would be if a competitor or other disgruntaled sico were to report the paid link directly to Google in our webmaster tool section. Rumor also has it that should you purchase a link from a "BAD SITE" that you may be penilized. I am not a believer myself. My vote is for the purchase. I work for Yellowpages.com and we sell monthly contracts in the thousands of dollars.
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May 7 2009, 10:42 AM
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 High Rankings Advisor  Group: Admin Posts: 29,199 Joined: 21-July 03 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 10:48 AM From: Ashland, MA Member No.: 2 |
QUOTE Is there anything wrong with purchasing a link from a related, high PR website or two? Of course there's nothing wrong with it. You can purchase links from whomever you want. It's not even "gray hat." QUOTE Would Google be able to penalise for that link? If so, how woulf there be any way for them to find out? And why wouldn't they penalise for a banner advert, isn't it exactly the same thing? They don't penalize for purchased links, they simply try not to count them in their link popularity algorithm if they know for certain that it is a purchased link rather than a vote. But how would they know unless you tell them? By telling them I mean that perhaps you're using a link broker, or perhaps it says on the other site that the link is purchased or sponsored. If the link appears to be a vote, however, Google doesn't just "know" everything. They're not listening in on your conversations on how much the link will be, etc. (Moving this to the link buying forum as we have more info there. ) |
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May 7 2009, 10:56 AM
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HR 2 Group: Active Members Posts: 47 Joined: 25-April 06 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 03:48 PM Member No.: 11,502 |
I see, thanks for your help. What if the group of links had previously been headed 'sponsored links' but the website had recently changed the heading to 'featured links'. There's a possibility that Google could have already have seen the previous heading and put some kind of marker on them as purchased links isn't there?
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May 7 2009, 10:57 AM
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HR 4 Group: Active Members Posts: 183 Joined: 8-April 09 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 04:48 PM Member No.: 25,516 |
well they didn't know until you and Jill just told them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/naughty.gif)
But seriously, even if G! finds out and consideres the link 'paid' it's not you who get penalised (if a penalty is imposed), it's the website who hosts the link, not the target website of the URL! You may lose any PR the link gave you, but this is why you should pay for links for visitor streams and banner advertising / brand awareness and not for gaining inbound PR link juice. If the paid advert is correctly put on their website, it's likely to have the rel='nofollow' attribute and so won't pass you any PR anyhow! |
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May 7 2009, 11:33 AM
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High Rankings Advisor Group: Admin Posts: 29,199 Joined: 21-July 03 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 10:48 AM From: Ashland, MA Member No.: 2 |
QUOTE(ClickClick @ May 7 2009, 11:56 AM)  I see, thanks for your help. What if the group of links had previously been headed 'sponsored links' but the website had recently changed the heading to 'featured links'. There's a possibility that Google could have already have seen the previous heading and put some kind of marker on them as purchased links isn't there? Who knows? They may even think that phrase "featured links" could be paid for. Bottom line is we don't know. And honestly, it doesn't matter. Just purchase links that will provide you with targeted traffic to your site and if they count for link pop. it's gravy. If not, then whatever. |
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May 7 2009, 11:57 AM
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HR 2 Group: Active Members Posts: 47 Joined: 25-April 06 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 03:48 PM Member No.: 11,502 |
QUOTE(Jill @ May 7 2009, 05:33 PM) Who knows? They may even think that phrase "featured links" could be paid for. Yeah you're right. Cheers guys. |
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May 12 2009, 06:29 AM
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HR 1 Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 12-May 09 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 10:48 AM Member No.: 25,774 |
I don't use any black, red, grey, pink, purple, green or rainbow SEO... Just the old fashioned white hat. I do not believe in buying links, because you are not guarenteed to get your moneys worth. For me, it's just link building and general SEO techniques but hey, everyone has their own comfort zone eh!
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 May 14 2009, 04:04 AM
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HR 1 Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 8-May 04 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 11:48 AM Member No.: 3,500 |
Link buying makes sense only if you buy them to bring traffic to your website. Let's not forget that Google toolbar measures the clicks a link get. So basicly you can buy links in directories as form of advertising but not on high PR non relevant websites because a flag will be raised.
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May 14 2009, 05:05 AM
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 Keep Asking, Keep Questioning, Keep Learning Group: Active Members Posts: 1,950 Joined: 24-May 07 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 03:48 PM From: Worthing - England Member No.: 17,339 |
QUOTE Let's not forget that Google toolbar measures the clicks a link get not if it isn't installed it doesn't! NEVER use toolbars!
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Jun 20 2009, 05:43 PM
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HR 1 Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 14-May 09 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 10:48 AM From: pacific coast of mexico Member No.: 25,792 |
if i were you and wanted to purchase links for whatever reason I would try to keep it as you noted as a "related" high pr website. or coming from the page say in a directory that is related to your site/business. then you hopefully get some link juice and some traffic
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Dec 5 2009, 04:13 PM
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 HR 2 Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 26-February 04 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 12:48 PM From: Wilmington, NC Member No.: 2,653 |
QUOTE(1dmf @ May 14 2009, 07:05 AM) not if it isn't installed it doesn't! NEVER use toolbars! Why? Is there a good reason not to? |
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Dec 7 2009, 12:19 PM
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HR 3 Group: Active Members Posts: 81 Joined: 20-October 08 User's local time: Feb 9 2010, 08:48 AM Member No.: 22,349 |
QUOTE(1dmf @ May 14 2009, 03:05 AM) not if it isn't installed it doesn't! NEVER use toolbars! I have no problem with Google having more information on what people click. It helps them improve their service, which helps me as both a customer and a user. |
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