Major Google Update, "Gladys" Options

[powerofeyes]

Everything seems fine here - back links updated - PageRank updated - Fresh SERPs more settled now, One site had average 600 visits per day(google/yahoo/AOL) after florida update and ranked for some highly competitive phrases,
Now for the past 2 days traffic around 550 per day(google/yahoo/AOL), but ranking for some bizarre terms (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) , Some sites which escaped Florida update, got damaged totally by Gladys (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ,
All On topic authority sites and top Hubs ranking more comfortably, Siterank more than PageRank seem to be more important,
Seems google saying if you have the best site stay on top or just leave the SERPs,

Only 2 of my client sites got damaged others looks much better in rankings,

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[rshilkrot]

I hope you're joking, because that's pretty much one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

How else can you explain the fact that this happened twice? with a perfect timing?
Google is far from the "Saint" people think it is. It's manipulative, and monopolistic.

[Jill]

So you were serious?

Where do you people come up with this stuff!

Why in the world would google care to appease Webmasters by making their PageRank go up!

Bottom line...what google does when they update their results has nothing to do with YOU, nothing to do with YOUR website, nothing to do with screwing Webmasters, nothing to do with them thinking they can do whatever they want.

Google just wants to have the best results they can, as well as they want to make it so people can't easily manipulate them.

That's it! Why would they want to do anything more than that?

Do they have it right? Absolutely not, as evidenced by some wacky results and some spammy results. But for goodness sakes, this has nothing to do with a conspiracy, you, or your particular site. (And I'm not talking about "you" personally, just the collective "you.")

Does it make it easier for you guys who believe in conspiracies to deal with the changes or something? This way you can feel that you are completely powerless since "the man" is out to get you...

Instead of trying to figure out why Google screwed you, I'm sure there's many actual constructive things you could be doing.

Jill

[ajeshnair]

Hi!!!

One of the site dropped during FLORIDA update ranking was ranking well for secondary and less competitive keywords. But they are nowhere to be found. I have'nt checked the traffic.

It seems results are in a flux rite now!!

Gladys...(IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

Ajesh

[Diniz]

lol

I think the evidense of a major problem is overwhelming and would refer you to this article for a very interesting analysis of the use or misuse of the word 'conspiracy'. Fascinating article!
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The Roots of Conspiracy Denial
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:is66U...racy-denial.htm

[Force7]

Hi Everyone,

Well the Google update pulled me from the lurking cave to join this great group to throw in a few comments about Google. (So newbie alert, please bash me lightly (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/eek.gif) )

I did not realize Google had changed things but on Sunday I was searching for an item and found really poor results. On one item it was pulling up magazine articles instead of something more relevant to my search. I ended up going over to another search engine to fine better results.

Later I checked my email to find a customer going nuts becuase he discovered he had fallen off google, I then checked for him and was surprised to see he was correct.

After checking I found his high ranking site went from #3 for 8 different keywords to so far off the board I cannot find it (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/cry_smile.gif) . The site had no 'spam' techniques only sound ones learned from Jill "the SEO meister herself" over the years. When I used his keywords in a search at Google I again found sites that were really not relavant to key terms.

So aside from everyone just looking at how thier sites are ranking with the new Algorithm I was wondering if anyone thinks the new system gives better or worse results than before from user standpoint?


Force7

[qwerty]

Welcome, Force7 (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

It's impossible at this point to try to draw any conclusions about whether this is a major change to the algo, much less whether the results of the change will be better or worse than they were.

Right now, all I can say is that Google is updating.

[pedro]

Have you seen it- currently are 14 members looking at this post.

This is more like a chatroom - than a forum.

Google will make us all get crazy.

Oh - god - let's all have a (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/ale.gif) and wait.

[Jill]

So aside from everyone just looking at how thier sites are ranking with the new Algorithm I was wondering if anyone thinks the new system gives better or worse results than before from user standpoint?

There's no new system until the fat lady sings, and it doesn't appear that she's close yet.

The results always suck while the dance is on.

Why's it so difficult to just wait a few days and check back later?

Jill

[OldWelshGuy]

Google is trying to get better results, and probably results that are harder to optimise/manipulate/fiddle/call it whatever you want.

The only thing now is that their database is so big, and they have relied so heavily on PR, that it is a huge task finding something that will replace it as a cornerstone.

Stemming is great, semantics is ropey at best, and the thing is that their herd of pages is so big, no sooner they catch one group of breakaway cattle, that another bunch run off simultaneously.

I am still of the opinion that we have another month or two at least of this before G decides to put into force ALL the pieces of the jigsaw they are currently playing with.

Currently Google is like a Marx brothers sketch, I go, I come Back I go I come Back, you signa da contract, what contract the one at the bottom with the Sanity clause, Ha I know thats not right, there ainta no sanaty clause is my mom and pop that buy da gifts.... and so it goes. no rhyme, no reason, just Google playing with their toy to see what works and what don't in readiness for this years main event. lol

[mcanerin]

The Roots of Conspiracy Denial

Wow - there are so many logical fallacies in there that I might use that later - thanks, great fun! Good find.

I love the part where not believing that there is a conspiracy is evidence that not only IS there a conspiracy, but that you are by definition one of the conspirators (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I remember a psychology professor pointing out that most paranoid have an excellent internal evidence relationship. In short, they contain massive amounts of circumstantial and tangential evidence that, when piled all together, support the theory.

For example:

The CIA is behind the Google Dance

No, really, it's true.. (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Look at the evidence: First, almost all major owners and employees of Google come not only from US Universities, but universities that are known to be recruitment targets for the US government, including the CIA. These universities also receive significant funding by the US Government.

Second: suddenly, shortly after the world wide hunt for Bin Laden began, Google stopped doing the "Dance" regularly, almost as if they were having to reprogram and test huge changes instead of constantly tweaking little ones. The result? the Florida update near the end of November. Less than 2 weeks after Florida is out, Saddam is captured by US troops belonging to the only ground unit in the area that has ongoing battlefield network connections, including the internet...

Websites run by or connected to known terrorist activities, including Russian /ex Soviet Union mob, Yakuza, triads and Al-Quiada, which includes many spam sites, are suddenly highly visible, yet other spam sites nearly disappear. Sites with ANY connection to these groups, including a certain Hockey Site known to have some russians on it that travels extensively in the major population areas of the US, suddenly become more prominent and thereby easier to locate and track.

It's a well known fact that terrorists use the internet to communicate with each other. Known methods are hidden text in websites, steganography in images, and online chat/blogs. And Google has been ravenous about searching the web for images, acquiring Blogger, and indexing even tradtionally hidden areas of websites.

Googles upcoming IPO is likely to be sold in a variety of different ways, most of which can't be traced back to the CIA, such as eBay, and will generate far more money than Google requires for its "normal" activities. Hmmm - payoff, or seed money to finish the project? You decide.

One of the complaints the FBI had after 911 was that they had tons of information, but no way to get at and cross reference all of it fast enough to find what they were looking for - this was reported in many papers. It hasn't been reported recently, and there have been a great many successful captures in recent months, along with vague "Code Orange" warnings that seem to coincide with changes in the positioning of various sites, and sometimes even a slowdown in results from Google. Then right after that the sites are back, the Code Orange goes away and the bad guys are caught.

The obvious reason? The CIA has been using Google's advanced search technology to help locate and track terrorists - if your site has great rankings, you are probably one of them.

If you have recently lost your position - good news, they are NOT out to get you (this time) and you are no doubt a great patriot.

You can even check this. Ask everyone who lost their rankings recently if they are associated with a terrorist organization or wish harm to the USA - the answer will be a resounding NO! There you go. The people who went up are no doubt terrorists and therefore probably going to lie anyway, so it would be a waste of time asking them - just look at their activities and associations - that will tell you. Look hard enough, and you will find it. The CIA is never wrong.

Ian

[Cygnus]

I really do try to stay out of these threads, because...well, they usually either turn into:
1. Conspiracy theories
2. Non-stop whining

That having been said, yes, the SERPs for my keyword phrases are crazy, and in some cases downright irrelevant. BUT, and it's a big but (kind of like mine):
1. The update isn't done
2. Even when it's "done", it'll go through some tweaking
3. You'd be better off in SEO business-as-usual mode

Get some more links, write some more content, and things will work out for you in the end (if not on Google, then on another search engine).

[ajeshnair]

Currently Google is like a Marx brothers sketch, I go, I come Back I go I come Back, you signa da contract, what contract the one at the bottom with the Sanity clause, Ha I know thats not right, there ainta no sanaty clause is my mom and pop that buy da gifts.... and so it goes. no rhyme, no reason, just Google playing with their toy to see what works and what don't in readiness for this years main event. lol

Old Welsh!!!

My client wants top 10 guarantee in written!!! (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Ajesh

[Leann_Pass]

(IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/appl.gif) Go IAN!!!

That is the first Conspiracy Theory I have read that actually makes sense!

LOL, it always takes a paranoid Canadian to get to the bottom of these things!

[Ruud]

OK, experienced data watchers, as I said; I find this just very very fascinating (in a geek kind of way). What I wonder is - based on past experience and on what you see going on, can you make an educated guess as to which factor(s) (most probably) are being changed and in what way?

I know people are able to do so afterwards; make a good guess as to what has changed.

One thing that fascinates me in the searches I do are product spam results. Lots of "opinion" and "review" sites which run some Amazon script or another. So much so that I'm starting to think about taking mine down or redoing it big time: in the end Google might just put a huge number of minus points on this kind of content. Anyway, seeing these spam results with much deeper down in the search actual content I'm half puzzled as to why they can't use this to their advantage. That is: the spam results in (some) searches (at some times) home in beautifully on what users do not want. Oversimplified: sort them the other way around (IMG:http://www.highrankings.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Ruud

ps: Ian, your consipracy theory is *way* off the mark. Everyone close to the intelligence community knows that the on-off results during a Google dance are in fact coded messages themselves.