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[Leann_Pass]

I think google is not ranking new sites that fit what their algo wants just for the sake of Profit...but hey I guess profit is good if you a business lol

Well, I personally do not think that it takes new sites a few months to rank in the top 10 for competitive phrases would or does increase G's revenue significantly. Truly, how much have they made off you in the last 3 months?

[ghergich]

interesting mcanerin...this is why I was getting grustrated for a week now at ppl saying dont worry about a PR update. IF your site is new you need a full scale review of backlinks to rank...since it does not happen you dont rank...and you have to buy adwords....on a side note i buy adwords for every website, its a must to figure out the phrases that give you the most ROI.

[ghergich]

Leann_Pass do you really believe that? They are making a killing off of this. It forces ppl into adwords, if they like it or not....it increases revenue on a mass scale. Multiply me by a million and think about it....

[Leann_Pass]

on a side note i buy adwords for every website, its a must to figure out the phrases that give you the most ROI.

So, since you are going to buy adwords for every site regardless, it is fair to say that your not ranking highly immediately isn't padding G's pocket with any extra $$.

[mcanerin]

One other thing - sites that are attempting to rank for competitive terms will require a LOT of links. It takes LOTS more time to check these than it does a site with very few links.

It's not the competitiveness of the term, it's the number of links that need to be checked, IMO. The two are related, but not equal.

I don't have an example handy but I'd be willing to bet that if you took two sites optimised for equally non-competitive terms and got 20 backlinks on one and 1000 on the other, it would take longer for the one with a 1000 to be analyzed and take it's proper position. In the short term the one with less links would beat it, which would of course make it look like the one with more links was penalized, and the "crappyier" one was being treated better.

Just a hunch and opinion,

Ian

[ghergich]

leann..come on...the word im looking for here is semantics. Let just be logical...if you cant rank, then more ppl will use adwords to rank, thus increasing revenue.

[ghergich]

mcanerin
anther great post...I believe this as well. This really all could boil down to dmarts argument that google is running out of space, so accross the board it take longer for links to be counted.

[Leann_Pass]

Of course they make money off Adwords.....it's called advertising! Many businesses advertise. Are you suggesting that if ranking for competitive terms happened overnight that Google would go broke? I doubt it. Ya know, some companies run adwords even if they do come up in the top 10 as it multiplies their chances of getting targeted visitors. Some companies couldn't come up in the top 10 no matter what algo was being used. And important to remember I think is this....the vast majority of webmasters know NOTHING about SEO or search engine rankings. They either choose to advertise or they do not.

[ghergich]

"Are you suggesting that if ranking for competitive terms happened overnight that Google would go broke?" ummmm not sure where you got that from...Im having a hard time understanding your questions.

[Irony]

interesting but you offered no proof that the new sites are rankings and I can go find tons of ppl who are sandboxed...Im sure that some sites are not effected but I know of a ton of sites being sandboxed. (why...so google makes money)

Yes, sites get sandboxed - but what I'm trying to suggest is the less aggressive you are in the start, the shorter this period will be. And PR is irrelevant in this case - absolutely irrelevant.

Google makes money... everyone makes money, yourself included . And it is not bad.

But I do not think that sandbox effect is caused by it. It is good to buy AdWords in any case - even if you rank well for some keywords - SEO industry in competitive, and it is practically impossible to get all good terms. So AdWords are very good to cover the rest of keywords.

[Leann_Pass]

I agree Ian,
It is the nature of the competitive beast. It takes longer to come up for competitive terms and is always has. I think what you suggest is a major reason for this. These sites are usually much larger and require thousands of links....a lot to work through, especially figuring in more than numbers when it comes to the links.

Ghergich, I just don't think it is a conspiracy, sorry. Remember also that there are only 10 top 10 spots. I am sure that most people think they should be there....but do they all? Even if it could all happen overnight, there are still only 10.

[Leann_Pass]

ghergich,

My point with the adwords is that someone is going to pay for them.....if not you then someone else. If you take someone else's current top 10 position, then you stop paying and they start paying. The money is there and it isn't going to change regardless of how quickly they rank sites. It simply doesn't make sense to think that Google's whole algorithm is based on adwords.

[ghergich]

"Ghergich, I just don't think it is a conspiracy, sorry" again...something i didnt say...i was just asking to look at the facts and they are that we are having a hard time finding even one site that is new with good rankings....IF a site has the backlinks and the onpage factors then it should rank...unless google has not counted all the backlinks like mcanerin suggested....or...they are just doing it on purpose...either way they are doing it to make more money, im not saying that they should not do this...but they are the ones saying they are not goign to be evil....and this comes very close....forcing you to use ther exclusive advertising system is right up an Evil Corportations ally lol.. lIrony I actually wasnt meaning that for you sorry it was the other guy...

[ghergich]

"It simply doesn't make sense to think that Google's whole algorithm is based on adwords. "

The two are inseperable.....this is how the G makes its money. A good algo will make more ppl user your relevant results, thus increasing your ad revenue. An algo that produces good enough results to fool the average user...and FORCES webmasters to use your ads will dive your revenue even higher...how dont you see this...it really quite basic

[Leann_Pass]

but they are the ones saying they are not goign to be evil....and this comes very close....forcing you to use ther exclusive advertising system is right up an Evil Corportations ally lol.

FORCES webmasters to use your ads will dive your revenue even higher...how dont you see this...it really quite basic

Google does not force anyone to use Adwords, at least not anyone that I know of
They do however provide a paid advertising service for anyone who chooses to take advantage of it.....EVIL INDEED!

Not allowing "you" to rank where you want, when you want, because you think you should isn't affecting their adword $$ in any way. Like I said, when or if you get the top 10 spot.....someone else loses the top 10 spot......You Stop paying, They Start paying. Money is money, from you-from them, makes no difference.

I guess if they were really really smart they would just get rid of the organic listings all together and FORCE all webmasters to pay. You know that is what the evil doers at the television stations, radio stations, yellow pages and all those off-line places do.....they force us all to pay to advertise, I hope Google doesn't catch on!
.....UGH!