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[Talking Bear]

[Moved to paid-inclusion forum.]

Hi

It's my understanding that guaranteed inclusion is a fast way to have a specific url indexed on a reoccurring basis.

My question is, "Once you see that the submitted url is getting good trafic for the keywords that is was optimized for, is it neccessary to continue using Inktomi for that URL?"

I would think that the url would eventually be picked up through a natural crawl.

If this is the case a possible strategy would be to use inktomi to test the page optimization. Once satisfied, swap in another URL and go through the process again.

Any comments regarding this strategy would be appreciated.

[SearchRank]

I have seen "paid inclusion" URLs removed after they expire (if you do not renew them each year). If the page was already in the index and then someone submits it through paid inclusion for a year and it then expires, I think it is still included but is not re-visited as often

One example of this is if you have a site listed in Looksmart (a home page) and then you submit that home page to Inktomi PFI, Inktomi will use the page's title and meta description tag. Let that PFI expire though, and it reverts back to using the Looksmart title and description.

We have had good success submitting a site map if a site is not already included in Inktomi and it usually will find the other pages connected to the site map on its own. But if you want to change your optimization every month or even more often, use PFI. Because any optimization tweaks we perform are given a three to four month test period though, I prefer allowing Inktomi to crawl and find the URLs on its own. Less expensive for sure.

[Jill]

Talking Bear, you might be interested in this thread on a similar topic.

Jill

[compar]

My question is, "Once you see that the submitted url is getting good trafic for the keywords that is was optimized for, is it neccessary to continue using Inktomi for that URL?"

The price you pay Inktomi is for one years inclusion. During this time they will crawl your site every 48 to 72 hours.

If I understand your suggestion you are thinking of switching URLs on the one paid submission say 2 or 3 time a year. I would be surprised if you could do this. You pay for domain abc.com for one year. I doubt that you can go in and change it to xyz.com and then later change to lmn.com etc. I would guess that you would have to pay a full years subscription for each URL.

However if you are asking if you need to pay for a second year then the answer is probably no. Because as you suggest the site should have been found and index by the "free" bot.

[Jill]

Yes, you most certainly can change the URL, any time you want, in fact.

Jill

[compar]

Yes, you most certainly can change the URL, any time you want, in fact.

I've never paid for inclusion in a search engine. Just cheap I guess. But that is great if you can change URLs on the one basic subscription. Is it just like editing your profile. Go in any time you want and remove one URL and give them another to work with?

If that is the case Talking Bear is right. Use Inktomi to fine tune an URL and the moment you are satisfied with that one start working on another URL.

[Talking Bear]

Thanks for the thread Jill.

After reading everyones comments it seems that you hope slurp visits the site regularly. If the site is a mature site, you can probably drop the paid inclusion for the next year.... Possibly......

It seems as though the comments are mixed as to the results. I would imagine if I checked marketleap's sight saturation results it may give me a possible indication. That is, check to see what happens to the url when I replace the link with another.

FYI
You can swap out URL's as often as you like as long as they are with the primary domain. You can swap domain urls, but only for the first 30 days.

Thanks for the input

[compar]

FYI
You can swap out URL's as often as you like as long as they are with the primary domain. You can swap domain urls, but only for the first 30 days.

Well that is certainly different information than what I understood from Jill comment.

Yes, you most certainly can change the URL, any time you want, in fact.

Jill

[Jill]

Yes, I meant within the same domain. I thought that's what the question was about. Swapping different URLs within the same domain. You can do that any time you want.

Jill

[compar]

The problem clearly is with the definition of URL. I think we often -- at least I do --use URL and Domain interchangeably. I assumed Talking Bear was talking about domains and you Jill assumed he we talking about different pages within a single domain.

The desirability of switching pages within the domain strikes me as less desirable that actually piggy backing several domain on one subscription. Most people are satisfied to have their home page well optimized, though of course in a large site one might want to optimize a variety of pages.

I guess the lesson learned is that we should ask more questions before we fire off our answers. It might save a lot of time and confusion and apparent contradiction.

[Jill]

In answer to your original question, TB, I believe that Barry Lloyd has stated that once your time runs out on a URL, there's usually no need to renew it. I'm thinking that you could also get the same benefit by switching URLs every so often also.

I'd be interseted in hearing what Barry's thoughts on this are, as he does these all the time. Hopefully, he'll chime in!

Jill

[SearchRank]

It is my experience that 'sometimes' a URL disappears when the subscription expires. Which URL if you are switching them around - usually the one that was used last. This has only happened a few times though. Most the time they stay. I don't know if this is a result of someone manually removing them or the fact that the crawler found them on their own or what?

Anyway, it is best just to check. Usually they are not removed so if a URL is dropped after a subscription expires, my practice is to wait it out a month and see if it gets picked up again before renewing.

Really, I wonder if Yahoo will keep the paid inclusion thing going after they incorporate Inktomi results into the Yahoo search engine ... oh wait, I forgot this is Yahoo I'm talking about, of course they will. :laugh:

What I do wonder is once Inktomi becomes part of Yahoo, will sites such as HotBot, MSN and others still display Inktomi results?

[BrianR]

David

I think your earlier suggestion about submitting the sitemap page is the best strategy.

Ok, so you have to cough up $39 (or whatever it is!) annually for PFI, but then that's a gateway to getting the rest of your site spidered naturally for free. Sounds good to me!

BrianR

[SearchRank]

I think your earlier suggestion about submitting the sitemap page is the best strategy.

The first thing someone should do is to see if and how many pages Inktomi has already indexed on its own. Best way to do this is to do a advanced search at HotBot and in search box list your domain (i.e domain.com) and then use the Domain/Site filter and in the include spot put your domain (i.e. domain.com).

This will show you all the pages that are in the Inktomi index. If the site has been around for awhile, there's a pretty good chance you'll see many pages from it listed. If you don't see a particular page, you can submit it via PFI or build a site map with that and other pages linked to it and submit the site map.

But I recommend checking first. Don't know about you but I don't like throwing away money when its not needed.

[compar]

I think your earlier suggestion about submitting the sitemap page is the best strategy.

If you just want to get your entire site crawled by Inktomi then I guess the site map is the way to go. But the real value that has been ascribed to Inktomi is the ability to fine tune your keywords due to the frequent crawling.

I don't think anybody is going to try and optimize their site map so if this is what you pay for you may be wasting a lot of the potential.