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[ghergich]

Any thoughts or can you point me to some aritcles?

[ghergich]

it smells like cat pee in here can someone help me

[SearchRank]

I can throw you some air freshener but otherwise you just have to wait it out.

[OldWelshGuy]

And on the third update, the lord Viewed the newly removed from the sandbox websites, and he saw that they were good, and he did say to the algo' let there be links, and let the links be many, and let these links be recognized. For they have paid for their sins over a period of three moons. And there was great rejoicing, for the links were now worthy

One thing though, How come the sandbox effect don't work on news items? How come we don't have to wait three months to learn about the news?

[SearchRank]

And on the third update, the lord Viewed the newly removed ...

LOL - I think you mixed up your capitalization though - 'lord' and 'Viewed'.

[OldWelshGuy]

Freudian slip, a caps L would be blasphemy Must be a built in safeguard, same as my using a small g for god, unless I am specific

[Jill]

ghergich, in other words, I don't think anyone knows. And/or nobody actually believes in a "sandbox" effect.

You might try asking over at WMW, there's probably lots on it there.

Good luck!

Jill

[OldWelshGuy]

Seriously the way it is 'supposed' to work is that if a new site suddenly has a lot of incoming links, then the links themselves are 'sandboxed', that is to say that the benefit of the links is not passed on to the target site. This normally take 12 weeks (3 moons ) Sorry!.

There are people who swear the sandbox exists, but from what I have picked up, we are talking about loads of links triggering it, so not the normal linking handfulls that most sites get. I am still out with the jury, as I have not seen it, but I have seen something with new sites, but it is not consistent. Matt Cutts has said there is no such thing as a sandbox effect. But those who say there is are saying "they (Google) would only deny it's existence if it existed?

They say they refuse to accept the flat out denial, preferring to go with their observations. My guess is that there is some sort of 'rapid link gain' filter in force, but I don't think it is as cut and dried as some think. I have seen sites bouncing around that are a couple of years old. So who knows.

Sorry about the cryptic message earlier. The thing is though, that it is not the sites that are sandboxed, but the links pointing to it. I have read loads about this at linkmongersRus.com (made up site) and have yet to be totally convinced. Maybe it is just a Google anti spam filter that they are trying out on new sites as they are less likely to be able to measure effectiveness, while G themselves can. Hence the popping in and out of the SERP's?

[amabaie]

The sandbox exists. One of my sites was hit. It does not affect the entire site, just certain search terms. Go about your linking as if it was natural and you should be safe...in other words, not too many links, too quickly all using the same link text, nor (as was my sin) putting the link into a nav bar SSI file before the site already had a good stash of links.

[amabaie]

There are people who swear the sandbox exists

Oh yeah...I'm one of those, OWG.

[ghergich]

From what i see it exist....and that it effects the link that are linking to you...my site is about 6months old so I should be out in about the next update..... I didnt go and buy any links but somehow I got trapped but I hear ppl say its 3 months and some say its can me 6months to a year...oh well I just keep on doing what I have been doing.....seems like a clever adwords campagin to me....but I doubt it...but I bet its a nice side effect for google.

[kangaroo]

If you're about to launch a brand new site, would it get sandboxed if it ALREADY contained heaps of incoming links?

ie. Add as many incoming links as you can BEFORE submitting a new site?

[Gatorhardware]

If you're about to launch a brand new site, would it get sandboxed if it ALREADY contained heaps of incoming links?

ie. Add as many incoming links as you can BEFORE submitting a new site?

If you already have that many links chances are you have already been crawled. Unless you got all of those links in a few days.

[seo guy]

Sandbox believer... maybe

From all the testing we have done it seems there is an absolute relationship between the volume of links (How many how fast) and how long it takes to get ranking credit for them. Call it a sandbox call it whatever you want.

Another thing you should note, and this is just an observation but also a good practice* If your effort is 100% one "kind" of link program. Like lets say you put up a site and right away all you start doing is going for reciprocal link exchange, you now only have 1 "kind" of link being brought in which is somewhat unnatural and (Although 100% not proven) is best to be avoided.

Instead spend one day on your recips, then the next on directory submission, then the next on publication sites such as PRweb then the next on forums etc, get creative and switch up not only what kind of links you are getting, but the destinations of those links

today you work index for kw x
tomorrow page y.html for kw y
friday page z.html gets a tern for kw z

then take it even further cycle again but swich x to "buy x"

no matter what you're looking at a min 1.5 months for credit for new links if your site is also quite new, but another thing I noticed is if you have a high volume of links and lots of deeplinks you get credit for new links much quicker
Just ma 2 cents sorry for the rant

[TLDTrader.com]

Never experienced the "sandbox" for any of my sites. Maybe this is because they all start out with just a handfull of high PR links.

So there could be truth that the sandbox only affects sites with a large number of links.