A brief report on a little experiment I just performed. We have a lot of products listed on Froogle, via a datafeed we upload regularly. Our main product, which is a big seller worldwide (over $100mil in sales!) ranks about 57th on Froogle. I tried an experiment to raise our rank, and it seems to have failed.
There are two pages on our site that could be considered valid "product" pages for Froogle to link to - one has a Page Rank of 7, the other is PR5. We were originally supplying the PR5 URL to Froogle, and I thought that might be part of the cause of our low ranking. I changed our datafeed to supply the PR7 page. Our Froogle ranking moved up a single spot!
Thus, based on my limited experiment, I hypothesize that the PR of the URL you supply to Froogle as your product page will have no effect on your Froogle ranking.
Comments?
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Pr Of Froogle Link Does Not Affect Froogle Rank
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cooper
, Aug 05 2004 04:00 PM
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 04:51 PM
You say, 'a little experiment failed'. There is no such thing as failed research, every piece of research is a success, as we learn something from it.
In your case we have learned that Page ranks makes no difference to ranking in froogle. (much the same as in Google then)
So a positive outcome will prevent others from wasting time testing this theory. A little experiment succeeded :-)
In your case we have learned that Page ranks makes no difference to ranking in froogle. (much the same as in Google then)
So a positive outcome will prevent others from wasting time testing this theory. A little experiment succeeded :-)
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Posted 06 August 2004 - 12:02 AM
I believe PR is one of the factors influencing product rankings in Froogle, but it certainly could be other things like the words used in the product description, product name, anchor text of links to product, etc.
Maybe the experiment shows that PR carries very little weight?
Personally, I click to sort by price once I reach a product level in Froogle, so it's somewhat mute for my behavior. OTOH, I'm seeing some significant sales generated by Froogle results pushed onto the Google SERPs for products hitting the magic formula.
Maybe the experiment shows that PR carries very little weight?
Personally, I click to sort by price once I reach a product level in Froogle, so it's somewhat mute for my behavior. OTOH, I'm seeing some significant sales generated by Froogle results pushed onto the Google SERPs for products hitting the magic formula.
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Posted 06 August 2004 - 12:27 PM
Ed, can you describe what you mean by "Froogle results pushed onto the Google SERPs for products hitting the magic formula"? I'm a little unclear on this subject.
So, this begs the question, how do we raise our Froogle ranking? We are the manufacturer of the product, we sell more of it that anyone else worldwide, and our price is excellent (not the cheapest, but often close). Our product page ranks #4 on Google for the same keyphrase that produces a #56 ranking on Froogle! Any suggestions?
So, this begs the question, how do we raise our Froogle ranking? We are the manufacturer of the product, we sell more of it that anyone else worldwide, and our price is excellent (not the cheapest, but often close). Our product page ranks #4 on Google for the same keyphrase that produces a #56 ranking on Froogle! Any suggestions?
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Posted 06 August 2004 - 03:38 PM
What I find interesting about Froogle, is that there is a spam-like thing going on search-wise.
For example, when I enter the keyword for Product A (which we manufacture) and then sort by low to high price, I see another non-related product that finds it's way in there as the lowest. Total SCAM!
Hopefully this will be fixed soon before everyone figures out how to do this.
For example, when I enter the keyword for Product A (which we manufacture) and then sort by low to high price, I see another non-related product that finds it's way in there as the lowest. Total SCAM!
Hopefully this will be fixed soon before everyone figures out how to do this.
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Posted 06 August 2004 - 03:44 PM
Might be too basic, but have a read here. http://www.highranki...om/issue065.htm
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Posted 06 August 2004 - 05:08 PM
Thanks Old Welsh Guy (you don't look old!) - that Froogle article is indeed too basic - we have no problems getting our products listed on Froogle, we just have a problem getting them listed at any reasonable rank!
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Posted 06 August 2004 - 06:13 PM
I am curious.
What is the relationship between the Froogle "search term," datafeed title, and onpage factors (title, H1 tags, etc) in your case?
I can't figure this out either. I'd have to agree with your conclusion, PR oddly does not seem to be a ranking factor.
What is the relationship between the Froogle "search term," datafeed title, and onpage factors (title, H1 tags, etc) in your case?
I can't figure this out either. I'd have to agree with your conclusion, PR oddly does not seem to be a ranking factor.
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Posted 06 August 2004 - 06:47 PM
The Froogle seach term I'm testing is "model name" (just an example - I can't reveal specifics)
The "name" field in the datafeed is "company name model name submodel name"
The on page factors are:
Title: "Model Store: Model Name blah blah"
Mentions of the Model Name on the page are a bit sparse - none near the top of the page (they are in graphics), some further down the page.
Keep in mind, however, that despite the somewhat non-optimized page, we rank #4 on Google for the same search term!
The "name" field in the datafeed is "company name model name submodel name"
The on page factors are:
Title: "Model Store: Model Name blah blah"
Mentions of the Model Name on the page are a bit sparse - none near the top of the page (they are in graphics), some further down the page.
Keep in mind, however, that despite the somewhat non-optimized page, we rank #4 on Google for the same search term!
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 05:50 PM
Cooper, if you know alot about froggle id like to talk to you. I really wanna chat with someone that can educate me on how froogle works. Email me if you can so we can chat about it if you have any extra time on your hands.
Regards,
Douglas
Regards,
Douglas
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Posted 08 August 2004 - 12:27 AM
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Ed, can you describe what you mean by "Froogle results pushed onto the Google SERPs for products hitting the magic formula"? I'm a little unclear on this subject.
On certain product related searches on Google, they push a few Froogle results near the top of the page. Here's an example for "canon a70":
http://www.google.co...F-8&q=canon a70
The conversions through that type of results have been very good.
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