What I was thinking, Jill, is having a flash movie BELOW real text ABOVE so that you could have the advantage of movement but your text would not be Flash, but real HTML
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normd
, Sep 13 2003 03:31 PM
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Posted 16 September 2003 - 12:04 PM
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Posted 16 September 2003 - 12:54 PM
Oh, sorry Denyse, I misunderstood. There have been some articles written about placing the copy in a layer under the flash movie so that it was never actually seen. That's the kind of thing you have to be careful of.
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Posted 18 September 2003 - 12:15 PM
Hey Everyone,
Denyse, what you could try is using a table to position the Flash piece above the text/other content on the page while keeping the content first in the HTML markup.
here is the basic code for it:
<html>
<head>
<body>
<!-- Start Table -->
<p>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="600">
<tr>
<td valign="top" align="left" width="124"></td>
<td width="16"></td>
<td valign="top" align="left" width="440" rowspan="2">
<!--- ACTUAL CONTENT SHOULD GO HERE --->
This is where your main page content should go. Due to the table layout of this page this is what the search engines will index FIRST. If your site uses left-hand navigation, as many do, the table set up for this page should help your search engine rankings since more of the main content will be indexed by the search engine instead of your left-hand links with a standard table set up.
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" align="left" width="124">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="124">
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<!-- NAVIGATION SHOULD GO HERE -->
This is where your navigation should go. Due to the table layout of this page this is what the search engines will index LAST.
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>
<!-- End Table -->
</body>
</html>
I don't remember what the original URL is for the person who came up with this, otherwise I would have just posted that. (Sorry for hogging so much page-space Jill.)
Feel free to contact me offline if you need help implementing this (should you choose to do so).
Denyse, what you could try is using a table to position the Flash piece above the text/other content on the page while keeping the content first in the HTML markup.
here is the basic code for it:
<html>
<head>
<body>
<!-- Start Table -->
<p>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="600">
<tr>
<td valign="top" align="left" width="124"></td>
<td width="16"></td>
<td valign="top" align="left" width="440" rowspan="2">
<!--- ACTUAL CONTENT SHOULD GO HERE --->
This is where your main page content should go. Due to the table layout of this page this is what the search engines will index FIRST. If your site uses left-hand navigation, as many do, the table set up for this page should help your search engine rankings since more of the main content will be indexed by the search engine instead of your left-hand links with a standard table set up.
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" align="left" width="124">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="124">
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<!-- NAVIGATION SHOULD GO HERE -->
This is where your navigation should go. Due to the table layout of this page this is what the search engines will index LAST.
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>
<!-- End Table -->
</body>
</html>
I don't remember what the original URL is for the person who came up with this, otherwise I would have just posted that. (Sorry for hogging so much page-space Jill.)
Feel free to contact me offline if you need help implementing this (should you choose to do so).
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Posted 19 September 2003 - 09:11 AM
I guess I'm not making myself clear. I'm not suggesting hidden text.
What I would like to know is can you put a Flash animation as a background for HTML text. What I was thinking about would be a Flash layer, with a text layer above it (done with DIV tags perhaps).
In other words, can you put a layer (words or other) above a Flash animation. (insert head scratching smilie here)
What I would like to know is can you put a Flash animation as a background for HTML text. What I was thinking about would be a Flash layer, with a text layer above it (done with DIV tags perhaps).
In other words, can you put a layer (words or other) above a Flash animation. (insert head scratching smilie here)
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Posted 19 September 2003 - 09:44 AM
I think that if you've got two layers positioned the same vertically and horizontally, but with different z-indeces, one would appear as the background of the other.
The one on top would have to have its background set to transparent, and of course you'd have to be pretty subtle with the flash in order to keep the text legible.
BTW, the above is a guess. I've never tried it. Nor have I ever worked with Flash.
The one on top would have to have its background set to transparent, and of course you'd have to be pretty subtle with the flash in order to keep the text legible.
BTW, the above is a guess. I've never tried it. Nor have I ever worked with Flash.
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Posted 19 September 2003 - 07:27 PM
Okay... this is from the old "designer vault" for a client's site I created well before Netscape 6 was ever released. And if memory, serves I *think* it only worked with IE 4+ and not with Netscape 4.x at all at that point, so you'll want to test it with multiple browsers.
Thankfully my old client has updated their site a couple of times since then so I can't view the original page anymore. This is coming from an old copy of the code I had saved locally, so God only knows what you'll have to change or if it'll work with newer browsers.
But try something like this...
Now if memory serves, and trust me when I say that I have trouble remembering some details from last week...let alone something from a few years ago, I think the main things were the z-index of the two DIV's and also the wmode="transparent". Don't quote me on that, but I seem to recall that if the wmode wasn't set to transparent it didn't matter what you put in the z-index beacase it wasn't going to work.
Like I said...this was originally produced long ago and far away, so I doubt it's going to be a perfect solution. But maybe my old notes will at least get you headed in the right direction.
Failing that, look long and hard at Macromedia's site. I'm sure this question has come up there in the past and they're pretty good at supplying an answer, even if it means a major hack.
Randy
(edited to break up the monsterously long lines in the code.)
Thankfully my old client has updated their site a couple of times since then so I can't view the original page anymore. This is coming from an old copy of the code I had saved locally, so God only knows what you'll have to change or if it'll work with newer browsers.
But try something like this...
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <div id="FlashLayer" style="position:absolute; left:25px; width:200px; height:115px; z-index:1"> object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" <clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000> codebase= "http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=4,0,2,0" <http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=4,0,2,0> width="200" height="115"> <param name=movie value="myfilm.swf"> <param name=quality value=high> <param name="BGCOLOR" value=""> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"> <embed src="myfilm.swf" quality=high pluginspage= "http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi? P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" <http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash> type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="200" height="115" bgcolor="" wmode="transparent"> </embed> </object> </div> <div id="TextLayer" style="position:absolute; width:200px; height:115px; z-index:2"> <p>This is a text on top of an swf film.</p> <p>Please test it in multiple browsers.</p> <p>The code is so old it may be completely outdated</p> </div> </body>
Now if memory serves, and trust me when I say that I have trouble remembering some details from last week...let alone something from a few years ago, I think the main things were the z-index of the two DIV's and also the wmode="transparent". Don't quote me on that, but I seem to recall that if the wmode wasn't set to transparent it didn't matter what you put in the z-index beacase it wasn't going to work.
Like I said...this was originally produced long ago and far away, so I doubt it's going to be a perfect solution. But maybe my old notes will at least get you headed in the right direction.
Failing that, look long and hard at Macromedia's site. I'm sure this question has come up there in the past and they're pretty good at supplying an answer, even if it means a major hack.
Randy
(edited to break up the monsterously long lines in the code.)
Edited by Randy, 19 September 2003 - 07:34 PM.
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Posted 20 September 2003 - 10:35 AM
Hi Normd
Back to the original question:
You do have 8 pages listed in google and rank for your keywords, but you have asked the search engines not to visit for 60 days (<META name="revisit-after" content="60 days">) and you have your noscript tag between the head and body tags. You also have a comment and a doctype declaration in between the head and body.
Back to the original question:
You do have 8 pages listed in google and rank for your keywords, but you have asked the search engines not to visit for 60 days (<META name="revisit-after" content="60 days">) and you have your noscript tag between the head and body tags. You also have a comment and a doctype declaration in between the head and body.
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Posted 20 September 2003 - 09:51 PM
Thanks Randy I'll try that
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