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Too Many Links From The Same Server?
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Craig B
, Jun 02 2004 12:31 PM
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 03:26 AM
wow what a heated debate about semantics.
I am more with Peter on this one. What he is saying is statistically proven over and over again on a variety of keyphrases. It doesn't mean that you can't get lucky and get a low-PR site into top 10 for a very competitive keyword, but when estimating the chances of doing so beforehand, the chances are almost always low. Winning a lottery is always a possibility but it is not something i would risk my family's future on.
I think that the time of "finding diamonds in a rough" (or however the phrase goes) is slowly passing. Today, take a list of phrases and their relative popularity, and you will be able to say which are easy to rank for and which are hard. I will add (for the semantically inclined ones) 90 times out of 100. It would even be a rather safe bet to say, that the rankings for the less popular ones can be achieved without building a link popularity (=PR) and for the most popular ones, without high quality, anchor text optimized, maybe even non-reciprocal links from high PR sites, you will be able to bring your site to the 5th page with some luck.
Ranking on Google is a function of a score a site gets. That score is made from different factors. Value of incoming links being one of them, PR being a litmus indicator for the importance of the sites linking to you. Nothing more and nothing less. It doesn't make PR any MORE or any LESS important than any other ranking factor (such as text relevancy, Title relevancy, etc.). Since we all lack a definite knowledge about the relative importance of Google's ranking factors (unless we are members of a limiited group of ppl from Mountainview street), the only way of action that is available, is to do the best on all known factors. Saying that PR is not important bears the same logics as saying that it is the most important thing.
I am more with Peter on this one. What he is saying is statistically proven over and over again on a variety of keyphrases. It doesn't mean that you can't get lucky and get a low-PR site into top 10 for a very competitive keyword, but when estimating the chances of doing so beforehand, the chances are almost always low. Winning a lottery is always a possibility but it is not something i would risk my family's future on.
I think that the time of "finding diamonds in a rough" (or however the phrase goes) is slowly passing. Today, take a list of phrases and their relative popularity, and you will be able to say which are easy to rank for and which are hard. I will add (for the semantically inclined ones) 90 times out of 100. It would even be a rather safe bet to say, that the rankings for the less popular ones can be achieved without building a link popularity (=PR) and for the most popular ones, without high quality, anchor text optimized, maybe even non-reciprocal links from high PR sites, you will be able to bring your site to the 5th page with some luck.
Ranking on Google is a function of a score a site gets. That score is made from different factors. Value of incoming links being one of them, PR being a litmus indicator for the importance of the sites linking to you. Nothing more and nothing less. It doesn't make PR any MORE or any LESS important than any other ranking factor (such as text relevancy, Title relevancy, etc.). Since we all lack a definite knowledge about the relative importance of Google's ranking factors (unless we are members of a limiited group of ppl from Mountainview street), the only way of action that is available, is to do the best on all known factors. Saying that PR is not important bears the same logics as saying that it is the most important thing.
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