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[discountdomains]

Hi,

At what point will a large site start to sustain its own page rank? ie without the need for links to higher PR ranked sites.

I have a directory site which has about 11,000 pages listed in Google, the landing page has a current PR of 4/10 and at the moment there are a few hundred pages with a PR of 1,2 or 3.

As it grows there could be 10,000's of pages with a PR of 1,2 3 etc presumably these should be enough to lift the landing page to a PR of 6 withjout external help?

I am adding about 25-50 submissions per day.

Clare

[qwerty]

That may happen over time, Clare, but external links are going to help a lot. If you have enough links to boost the home page by a point or two, then the PR will filter down to the internal pages and they'll contribute more.

I have to ask though -- why is it important for the pages to have a higher PR?

[Jill]

At what point will a large site start to sustain its own page rank? ie without the need for links to higher PR ranked sites.

Links TO higher PR ranked sites (or any sites) doesn't raise your PageRank.

You will always need external links pointing to your site for best results in the search engines, because they place a high value on what others think about your site. Links to yours are supposedly a vote that you have something worthwhile, which is why it's important to the search engines.

If you are the only one that thinks your site is great, i.e., it's not link-worthy, then chances are the engines won't put much stock in it either.

Jill

[discountdomains]

I have to ask though -- why is it important for the pages to have a higher PR?

Once a page has a PR>4/10 then it appears as a backlink on Google. Over time I plan to shift to charging for listing and hence my aim is to have as many pages as possible offering a backlink.

I do have a PR 8/10 link to my home page ( which I currently pay for as part of an ad campaign) but want to be able to reduce my outgoings and increase my incomings!

Clare

[Jill]

That's not exactly true. Tons and tons of PR4 and above pages do not appear as backlinks.

And besides, it makes no difference what appears as a backlink in the links check. That measurement is even more meaningless than toolbar PR.

Jill

[qwerty]

Actually, I had a quasi-sneaky thought about that. Say a page that would be a good link partner for you only has a toolbar PR of 3. Consequently, it probably isn't linking out to a lot of pages, because people who only check backlinks using G's link: query haven't found it, and some of those who have don't think it's good enough because of its PR.

This is what we call low hanging fruit They'll probably be pleased to consider your link request, since the rest of the web treats them like pariahs, and (for what its worth) you're going to get more of the PR they're distributing, since they don't have a lot of links going out.

[Jill]

Qwerty, you sneaky bastard you!

[anthonyparsons.com]

I do have a PR 8/10 link to my home page ( which I currently pay for as part of an ad campaign) but want to be able to reduce my outgoings and increase my incomings!

Clare, I have PR5 pages pointing too me that don't show up as backlinks. Who knows how google does it. What I do know is that you may want to check that the sites you pay for advertising "PR" are not on Google's hit list or monitored for selling PR value and not advertising.

What you said above is that you plan on selling submission when the pages become a higher PR. So you too are then selling PR value and not just directory inclusion, which is against Googles policies, otherwise you would be selling the right to be listed now? Be careful with that.

[Steve Sardell]

Hey Qwerty,
I like that

This is what we call low hanging fruit

I may borrow it sometime, of course I will ref the author, though it may AML style.

[powerofeyes]

I have PR5 pages pointing too me that don't show up as backlinks.

From our own research we have found this "Link:" backlink command is not broken as some people suggest, Just that it shows only links after going through couple of filters, We have made every single link count if the only purpose of the link is to boost Pagerank,

One Major filter is anchor text links from unrelated sites, These type of links sometimes gets filtered by the backlink command,

Other filter is as we know sites with toolbar PR3 and lesser(static URLS), There seem to be other filters too but i cannot confirm that, But I do see link: command as a very good way of google's rating on backlinks,

[discountdomains]

That's not exactly true. Tons and tons of PR4 and above pages do not appear as backlinks.

And besides, it makes no difference what appears as a backlink in the links check. That measurement is even more meaningless than toolbar PR.

Jill

That's not exactly true. Tons and tons of PR4 and above pages do not appear as backlinks.

Yes but I have not seen back links appearing with a PR <4/10. Hence the need to try and get as many pages >4 as possible.

Google appears to weed out pages that are not relevant when determining if a backlink should be shown. Hopefully as my directory is constructed by category and by topic with category it should be OK.

Clare

[discountdomains]

Good point about selling PR. I have ads on very popular sites, but these are not solely for the PR value, they bring a lot of traffic at the same time.

The situation ought to be slightly different with a directory as its function is to hold and in the case of a commerical site charge for links to third party sites. Which in my mind is not the same as spam links etc.

The PR is only an issue in getting over the credibility threshold. No one wants to list in a PR 0/10 directory whilst a 5 or 6/10 may be acceptable.

Clare