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[starseo]

Hi All ,

My site showed up in #102 in Google for my main kw few days back. Then after one day it showed #98 . These positions I checked in Google Monitor. Going thru the forum I came to know that Google punishes the sites which use this type of automated tools for rank checking. Now my site has gone to #113 in Google. In yahoo I get #39 for the same kw. Is it because of google dance that my results are fluctuating or has google really punished my site. I came to know that we can use tools thru Google's API. And so I had registered for Google account and got one with a licence key. I needed it for using some tool in some other site.Does this have any affect my results? Please help


Starseo

[qwerty]

Unless you're using that software to run thousands of queries a day, and you're doing it from the same IP address as the one your site is on, your site isn't going to be punished for doing this. If Google did that sort of thing, your competitors would simply run automated checks on your site in order to get you in trouble.

What you're witnessing is probably just Google's standard fluctuations. Happens all the time.

[starseo]

Thanks qwerty

I will wait for few weeks and see where my site ranks. But can you advise me on any Google friendly harmless tools that can be used for rank checking.

Starseo

[ephricon]

Well Google itself doesn't and won't support any automated tools. However, any tool that utilizes the Google API correctly should be fine. DigitalPoint produces such a tool - do a Google search on Digital Point Keyword and you'll find the link.

[mirajewel]

Could someone please explain the google update process for me? My site gets crawled by google on a regular basis - usually every 1 or 2 days. My PR is 5 with about incoming 140 links. I understand that minor ranking fluctuations occur because of different google servers, but I keep reading about a “monthly re-indexing.” This is where I am confused. I will make modifications to my homepage and google will pickup of these changes within 48 hours. So say my ranking on a particular keyword might go from 400 to 250 after they crawl the site and the page changes are recognized. Obviously the changes have had an effect on the ranking, but is this the total effect of the changes, or does google have a two part process?

I’m trying to determine if I need to wait a longer period of time before I make additional changes? What is the “monthly indexing” vs. google picking up on my homepage changes every day or two?

Newbie - Dazed and confused.

[qwerty]

The monthly change you're referring to is the Google Dance, but it doesn't happen anymore. It used to be that the spider would crawl around, grab new and updated pages, and stick that information into one of G's many data centres. Then, once a month, the data centres would compare their information and update each other so that they all held the most up-to-date information.

That changed last year, when Google switched over to rolling updates. It no longer takes a month for the information to be shared between all the data centres.

There's still a (more or less) monthly update, but it just involves changes to the PR that's displayed in the toolbar and Google's count (or reported count) of your backlinks.

[sonnyyu]

[quote]Is it because of google dance that my results are fluctuating or has google really punished my site.[/quote]use following url with your key word to check #, if same # in all three site then no dance.
http://www.google.com/
http://www2.google.com/
http://www3.google.com/
[quote]And so I had registered for Google account and got one with a licence key. I needed it for using some tool in some other site.Does this have any affect my results?[/quote]I guess you are talking about Goole API. Google API Link
[quote]Your Google Account and license key entitle you to 1,000 automated queries per day. from Google API page[/quote]
1,000 queries for 24 hours, I will finished it up within few seconds. I think Google give wrong name It should call it Google TAPI (Toy application programing interface).
[quote]Unless you're using that software to run thousands of queries a day, and you're doing it from the same IP address as the one your site is on, your site isn't going to be punished for doing this.[/quote]
Google can not trade all ip same. If you use AOL or MSN or... dial up service, even G want punished you for run thousands and thousands of queries a day it will not. It come from two problem. 1. proxy server 2. each time user dial up him/her will received different ip address, at least if dial up different dnis. Don't get me wrong, If you do that you will break TOS of Google. by using second tier search engine site such as AOL will be best path.
[quote]Well Google itself doesn't and won't support any automated tools. However, any tool that utilizes the Google API correctly should be fine. DigitalPoint produces such a tool - do a Google search on Digital Point Keyword and you'll find the link.[/quote]
Good way to go, however if you do this I bet your competitor could use this as well. Nothing is better than do your own homework.
[quote]Could someone please explain the google update process for me?[/quote]I think only three persons under the sun know correct answer. They are G, Y, M. I guess G wouldn't tell you anything. for get answer from Y, M you restate you question as "How bad the google update process" and pick correct WWW ( Who you are asked, When you are asked, where you are asked) to ask your question.

[mirajewel]

Thank you qwerty.

So if I understand you correctly - After 48 hours or so after I know the changed page has been crawled and results updated by google, I can go ahead and make other modifications if I am not happy with the position results? (I understand that a change in page rank is only reflected once a month or so).

[qwerty]

After 48 hours or so after I know the changed page has been crawled and results updated by google, I can go ahead and make other modifications if I am not happy with the position results?

That would make perfect sense, wouldn't it? So of course, the answer to your question is no

You have to remember that your pages don't exist in a vacuum. There are lots of others out there that are competing with yours for rankings, and many of them are being updated and created while you're doing the same thing.

So... you make a change to your page in the hope it will make the page more relevant for some specific query. Google crawls your page and indexes those changes. But G's also crawling other pages at the same time. Your changes might lead to a change in your ranking right away, and they might not. And if your ranking changes, it might stay that way and it might not.

If you're aware of a bunch of things you feel need to be changed or added on your page, go ahead and make those changes. But if you're looking to track the benefit you get from a specific change, you have to let it sit for a while, maybe as long as a couple of months. And while you're doing that, other pages are changing, so you can't really know whether it was your change that led to a change in the ranking, or someone else's.

Now and then you get a good idea of what's going on. For example, I recently changed a sentence on one of my pages so it would include a word that's part of a three-word phrase I've been trying to rank for. A day after I made that change, the page jumped from around #20 into the top 5 for that phrase (in fact, I just checked, and we're #2 now). Obviously, the page is more relevant to Google because of the change I made. But it could be gone tomorrow if another site makes a change.

[starseo]

Thank you, ephricon, sonnyyu

Starseo

[sinbad]

Starseo, thanks for starting the post, I check all 3 of the google urls 2 had the same positions 1 different. I also check using digitalpoint today for the same keyword and got different results several hours earlier. I confused I don't know where this site is for it's keywords, but from the google urls somewhere between #50 and #70

[Hexed]

Hi All  ,

My site showed up in #102 in Google for my main kw few days back. Then after one day it showed #98 . These positions I checked in Google Monitor. Going thru the forum I came to know that Google punishes the sites which use this type of automated tools for rank checking. Now my site has gone to #113 in Google. In yahoo I get #39 for the same kw. Is it because of google dance that my results are fluctuating or has google really punished my site. I came to know that we can use tools thru Google's API. And so I had registered for Google account and got one with a licence key. I needed it for using some tool in some other site.Does this have any affect my results? Please help 


Starseo

[Edited nastiness]

Here's the rundown:

1. Rolling SERP updates with 3%-5% progessive updates to the intial reductive dampening system. As each datacenter is updated from 1-3 days in length, you will see your results fluctuate.

2. Each IB/PR update from Google causes a 20%-30% reduction in the intial dampening of your changes. This is what causes the large shift.

There no magic out there, only millionairres.

Hexed

Edited by Jill, 13 May 2004 - 07:23 PM.