49 replies to this topic

[Jill]

Sonny, I'm 99% sure that you're wrong.

Not to mention that you can submit to Google till the cows come home but without a link pointing to your page from another page in your index, it will never stay in Google. That is because it has NO PageRank.

Jill

[OldWelshGuy]

The best thing I have heard was that the sole purpose for the 'submit url' page on Google was to prevent a flood of 'how do we add our site?' emails.

Most people say there are no links pointing to a site, but all it takes is one single post in a forum, by ANYONE, and you have a link.

I have a page that I have hidden away, no links, totally hidden server logs protected to prevent the possibility of access in that way. I have submitted it to Google, but no googlebot came.

Maybe I am wrong though, would not be the first time, nor the last

[oneofthe3lions]

have submitted it to Google, but no googlebot came.

But do you know if you only get the log if a robot actually reads your site?

if access was denied, perhaps it visited but was told not to read the information so it toddled off again? only wonder this cos i know that even when you dissallow a lot of robots, including google, it still does access your page and in some cases even makes a cache of your private information, it scans it, and caches it but doesnt intelligently read its words so to speak.. do these visits still log in your stats?

[Jill]

Good idea, OWG. I'm gonna create a test page like that too and see what happens. We can sit here and speculate, but this is another one of those that is easy to check out and know for sure!

oneofthe3lions, do you really think our OWG is so dumb as to make the page inaccessible if he's using it as a test?

Jill

[dominicsp]

Dominic, I have figured it out! It's just too obvious.

It's your photograph. You look like Omar Sherif.

Handsome 

No fair, no fair. How can all of us poor little SEO nerds possibly compete with that? 

Thanks for that, then I'll recommend my CEO to upload my photo to my co's website

[dominicsp]

Thanks All of you for the analysis

pr link
#1 6 292 pr(1)=10^6/292=3424
#2 4 74 pr(2)=10^4/74=135

135/3424=4% it mean #2 only help 4%, you can drop it but still get pr5, btw now #1 now only has 286 links, 292 come from google cached page. all you care what Google see not what you see now.

Hi sonnyyuu,
Could you eloborate this or give some ref where i could read about the above..

[sonnyyu]

Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page


The original PageRank paper by Google’s founders Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page - http://www-db.stanfo...rub/google.html


Ian Rogers

The Google Pagerank Algorithm
and How It Works

http://www.iprcom.com/papers/pagerank/



I personal think the pr will play the major factor of Google search engine. since
"Weight of vote Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page in Google's board"="important of PR in Google's search engine" It is common sense.

[dominicsp]

Thanks for all the GYAN u have given.

I'm already feeling like an punter after reading thru the various forums

GYAN : Know how
Punter : Expert

[sonnyyu]

Sonny, I'm 99% sure that you're wrong.

Not to mention that you can submit to Google till the cows come home but without a link pointing to your page from another page in your index, it will never stay in Google. That is because it has NO PageRank.

Jill

99% wrong =1% correct
I think I can do much better than that.

1.If the thread come from expert selected, I think I do at least 1% correct
2.If the thread come from randomly selected, I think I will do 50% correct (by flip coin I will get that done)
3.If the thread come from selected by myself, I think I will do better than 50%.

You are really think I am that kind of stupid, are you?

[Jill]

No, Sonny, you misunderstood my post. I'm not saying that your post was 99% wrong and 1% correct.

I was saying that I was 99% sure it was wrong. But since I'm not always right myself, I was leaving that 1% open to be corrected by someone else who might know for sure.

As it stands, I'm testing this right now with a page. I have one that's been online about a month, not linked to be anyplace, and not excluded via robots.txt.

It's not (of course) in google's index. I submitted it yesterday, and will continue to have no links to it.

My educated guess is that it will never get added to Google. Or if it does, that it will be dumped very shortly afterwards since it has no links.

If this is what happens, then you can change my post to say I'm 100% sure that you're wrong.



Jill

[OldWelshGuy]

Sonnyyu, the second link you give is a bit out of date, it states that its based on an assumption that Google uses some kind of Algorithmic scale. It has since been stated that Google use a base 5 logarithmic scale.

There is some good stuff on that page though, I especially liked this part

Observation: every page has at least a PR of 0.15 to share out. But this may only be in theory - there are rumours that Google undergoes a post-spidering phase whereby any pages that have no incoming links at all are completely deleted from the index...

And this

Principle: Content Is King! There really is no substitute for lots of good content…

[sonnyyu]

Principle: Content Is King! There really is no substitute for lots of good content…

let's find out what is in common above state with typical judge wedding ceremonies statement:

Mr. so and so, will you have this woman to be your wedded wife, to love her, comfort her, honor and keep her, and forsaking all others, keep you only unto her, for so long as you both shall live?

I think common is nobody will say no, However judge has two possible answer "YES" or "NO" (although "NO" is high unlikely). But Search engine has only answer "Maybe". The Google's PR is one of method to try help. may be first try, but not last try.


My point is in Google Radar pr is usefulness of content, PR is KING, at least before next Google update.

Edited by sonnyyu, 19 April 2004 - 04:04 PM.

[Jill]

My point is in Google Radar pr is usefulness of content, PR is KING, at least before next Google update.

Actually sonny, PR (PageRank) has zero to do with content. It's strictly about links.

Jill

[dominicsp]

Hi sonnyyu,
I agree with Jill, otherwise how will a 1 page website have a page rank of 5. Just check the content in my home page, its just few lines abt myself and where i work

[dominicsp]

Hi All,
I need help, My webpage still has a page rank of #5, but I do not find it on Google search anymore :unsure:

Please help