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Leader Or Follower
Posted 15 April 2004 - 10:01 PM
Just from what I see here off people's approaches, inspires me to post this.
How to do you rate yourself? A leader or follower?
I am a leader. Why? I am a very head strong person, like to try things for myself and not just believe what the crowd is saying. I became an Electrician, worked my way up through electronics and then became the Foreman for GEC. Joined the defence force, made the rank of Sergeant in 7 years in the Australian Army from my leadership ability. Run my own business full time now and have made it quite successful already, and jumping in leaps and bounds every week. I am generally the person speaking to a 1000 people, not the one sitting back listening. I love to learn and excel myself on a daily basis. The more challenging, the more interested I am. My personality and outlook on life makes me a leader and have certainly been defined as one by experts in that field.
How do you rate yourself and why? Are you inspired or just happy to work for someone and follow the crowd?
Posted 15 April 2004 - 11:06 PM
Sometimes I'm watching the leaders lead the followers, and just sitting off to the side, mocking the lot of them for going in that direction
Posted 16 April 2004 - 12:01 AM
The best I can say it is that I'm my own person. "...because everybody..." is never a good way to start an argument to convince me of anything. If we all did what everybody else is doing because everybody else is doing it social progress would be non-existent. With the wisdom of history it is very easy to spot the weak, and even dangerous, elements in this kind of circular reasoning.
When in a social context I enjoy being social - or shutting my mouth and drinking from the wisdom and knowledge of others. As the wise say; when I was young I had all the right answers, when I was older I had all the right questions -- then I learned to listen.
As a teacher I like to guide more than lead. People are so much more productive and enthusiastic when they feel it all comes from them.
And when it comes to people's approaches here on the forum.... I think it depends. If you do not want to learn (follow) than you are here to teach (lead). Which one misses the most is evident. I would say that the difference in a place like this is more the inverted version of a teacher's Test-Teach-Test approach: Learn-Test-Learn. Some people learn a lot of stuff here but either don't want to or cannot test it. So much of their learning remains following the latest bit of info. However, it is only natural that people asking questions here are assuming an inital position of "follower". Take myself: through a friendship I recently learned some very interesting details on so-called "black hat" SEO - and the large companies which use it. This information puzzles me as an SEO outsider so I come here to learn more about it :-)
So, I - I am Ruud. Defining who I am is as limiting as saying "I love this-or-that music style", excluding a myriad of excellent tunes.
Posted 16 April 2004 - 12:06 AM
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Posted 16 April 2004 - 01:30 AM
As long as you don't smoke it, there is no problem. Me, I'm just a goat. Or a horses arse. Or monkey. Or a chimp. Or a...
'm definitely a sheep. Just minding my own business, following the sheep in front of me. Eating some grass occasionally.
Posted 16 April 2004 - 03:59 AM
Do you really have to be one or the other? I'm neither, and I'm both
Ditto! You have to be both really don't you? If you are speaking to someone on a subject that they have far more knowledge and experience than you do, you'd be a fool to try and be a leader. Question, yes but not lead.
I too have worked in environments where I have had to lead, but even in leading there is still something to be learnt from the sheep!
I remember how my Dad (who was extremely successful in his field), used to say little at times but it wasn't how much he said that made him a great leader, it was what he said.
Anyway - here in Wales - we like sheep! Some people like sheep a lot!
Posted 16 April 2004 - 07:25 AM
There are different kinds of sheep though. There are those that blindly follow without really understanding (kind more like parrots). Those ones bug the out of me.
But there are those who follow but are learning and understanding along the way. Nothing wrong with them and they often become the future leaders.
Posted 16 April 2004 - 08:40 AM
depending on my mood and the situation i can be either.
if i find myself in an unfamilar situation i like to sit back and watch things playout - similarly, if im in a group with several 'head-strong' people ill happily take a back seat. but if i find myself in a situation whereby i am confident i have the skills ill lead whoever, wherever.
Posted 16 April 2004 - 01:00 PM
No competent manager or senior officer will promote someone to a position of trust who does not understand when to lead and when to shut up and do what they are told.
It's extremely difficult to work together with people when everyone wants to be the one in charge. The special forces in several countries (I know Canada, US and Britain for sure) deal with by following rank during mission planning and general organisation, but in the field the expert in the area (planting the bomb, communications, etc) is in charge and leads for that aspect of the mission.
Frankly, I tend to run things that way myself in business - in a team, you choose (or are assigned) a leader and anyone who can't follow directions isn't invited back. The leader takes responsibility and sets the path (usually in consultation with the others) and then each member takes the leadership of their particular area.
It's not a case of leader or sheep. Sheep don't think and don't lead. They actually don't really even follow - it never occurs to them to do anything else - that's different from following.
Leader and Follower is different from Donkey (stubborn, headstrong and won't take orders, even if it's for the best) and Sheep (follows without thinking or adapting)
I'm proud to lead or follow a good leader. I'd be ashamed to be a sheep or a donkey (aka jackass).
Posted 16 April 2004 - 01:40 PM
Anyway, we had to move a 120 bull cohort from one paddock to another. Being new to this and removing them from a hilly paddock where some could not see us, we let some low status bulls through the gate without some of the senior bulls being aware of the move. This caused a real traffic jam as when the senior status bulls finally arrived and saw that some of the lowly types had used the gate the seniors baulked blocking passage for the remainder of the cohort. The problem was that to use the now "de-faced" gate was to lose face. The dozen or so seniors solved the problem by avoiding the gate and barrelling through the fence directly taking out 3 large thick posts and 4 full fence-line lengths of wire.
One never adds a new bull to the cohort as your paddock gets ripped apart as everybody jousts each other to determine the new pecking order. It also gave new awareness to the cattle yards and chutes made of welded railway ties that also need repair on occassion.
Leadership can be either invigorating or stultified, take your pick.
Posted 16 April 2004 - 04:00 PM
I'm a leader first (especially with my own business/life). I am a also good team player when someone else asks me to do something or I'm working on some sort of joint venture. I'm always sure to do my part so I don't hose up anybody else. However, I'm usually the one pushing to get things going and/or finished.
I guess that makes me a sheep with an attitude!
Posted 16 April 2004 - 04:16 PM
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