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[Dragon]

Hi all,

What would you say a fair salary is for someone that does...well just about everything...(well at least if feels that way..!!) The duties include (but are not limited to) the following:

- Project Management (including managing 14 sites & the team responsible: this includes training where applicable & developing when needed.... )
- SEM strategies & implementation
- SEO strategies & implementation
- Marketing (online + traditional brand marketing...)
-Reporting on all of the above...

Any ideas?

[Randy]

Oh, at least a million dollars a year. Of course I might be biased since that's a partial list of what I do every day.

Seriously, it's hard to put a price tag on it because there isn't much of a foundation to build upon yet in the corporate environment. There's just not an accepted standard as yet since many corporations are just barely starting to pay attention to the advantages a healthy web presence can afford them.

Put simply, it should be a management-level salary, roughly equal to what other Division or Project Managers receive. That's what you're doing after all. Running the entire Web Development and Marketing Division.

On the other hand, no corporation could hire me to do what I do for myself. There's no salary/benefit package that could compete with what I already have!

[Jill]

Depends on where you live also. If you live in Boston, you'll need a lot more to live on than if you live in ummm...Georgia...perhaps.

Jill

[K.S. Katz]

Try using a salary calculator such as Salary.com and estimate based on executive level salary. Salary is going to range based on demographics that's why a salary calculator is useful.

Also, keep in mind the company that you're applying for. You can get a good idea based on initial conversations what kind of salary they'd be willing to give.

[Steve Sardell]

Hi Dragon,

Jill is absolutely correct. It depends on your location. The demographics are going to determine your salary range. It does not help with your situation for us in the States to quote our salary since many of us have no idea of South African salary ranges. Less expensive labor is one of the reasons so many Stateside companies are currently outsourcing. In addition to base salary, other factors to consider are perks, spiffs, profit share, and work enviornment. Sorry can not simply say xK per year. Measure your salary against what other mid-level managers are pulling down. It will all come down to what your market area can handle, and what is economically workable for your company.

[OldWelshGuy]

The worth of any product is that which the market dictates. Check the situations vacant, that should give you an idea.

There is no point in thinking I do this this this this and this, so I should get that, unless you work for a small company where you can turn the screw to get paid your worth.

Most business people think like this. Whats the worse thing that can happen, what is the likelihood of that happening, and what would I do to deal with it if it did happen.

Keep that in mind when negotiating, as if you threaten to leave, you can bet your pay cheque that your boss will have considered that as an option (if he is any good anyhow). Many years ago, out of the blue, my boss, the owner of the company called me into his office, and told me he was moving my salary from £9,100 to £17,940 and also giving me a company car. I was gobsmacked at this, as I had been feeling exploited for a while. I left that post in 1984, and about 18 months ago I was at a presentation and this guy was there. I had to ask him why, it had been bugging me for years.

He told me that it was not personal, he could see that I was not happy, he simply sat down and worked out what it would cost to replace me, in salary and additional costs, so he decided that if he was going to spend it on someone, he would spend it on me. He then told me that he knew I placed loyalty high on my list, so he knew that I would not consider leaving him for at least another 2 years after that. He played me like a piano, and there was me thinking I was special

If you are looking for a rise then you should sit down and present every worse case scenario to your boss, steal his thunder by telling him the score. Then tell him what you want. Also ask yourself what it would mean to YOU if he called your bluff.

There is another option, if you ARE as good as you feel, you can offer to work as a consultant

[Dragon]

AAh,
Your replies bring tears to me eyes...
I would actually like to forward this entire post to my CEO.....

Randy:
[QUOTE]...it's hard to put a price tag on it because there isn't much of a foundation to build upon yet in the corporate environment...[/QUOTE]

Aint that the truth - especially here in SA...since only a select few even know what SEO is....& the companies that do offer seo services are only starting to crack the market....

KS Katz
[/QUOTE]....salary calculator such as Salary.com...[QUOTE]

Gonna give it a try... thanx


Thanx OWG - truly wise words...spoken like a true leader :-)
[/QUOTE]Most business people think like this. Whats the worse thing that can happen, what is the likelihood of that happening, and what would I do to deal with it if it did happen[QUOTE]

Although, in the world of business, I consider myself - "old school" in the sense that I still believe in obtaining your goals through hard work, vision and constantly proving yourself - your superiors *should* see this & promote you accordingly....
If only things were this simple - I salute all the Managers, directors & leaders etc in this forum that do still believe in that system & that place value in their staff etc...

Obviously something that requires loads of thought - thanx for everyones replies...perhaps I should just be more assertive :learn: