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[braindead]

Jill, is it [deleted URL that it was NOT] ? I found that in the portfolio - not in the top 100 for targeted search terms. Don't keep us in the dark - who's the client?

Edited by Jill, 26 August 2003 - 05:07 PM.

[PhilC]

To clear up what the article was based on - I said it earlier. I've held those views for a long time, as Jill can verify. The article was prompted by an email from someone else entirely and it was written about my views. I used Jill's emails, and the new one, as evidence - they were not the subject of the article, and the article wasn't written around them.

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P.S. only people who know Jill reasonably well would have had any chance of guessing that it was her. Most of the site's visitors are not in that category.
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[market seeker]

Phil
I would like an example of what you have done to get high rankings for a keyphrase or word where correct SEO techniques would not have worked. Was is your secret formula. You don't have to worry about anyone here stealing your ideas.

Nothing you can do is going to be unique, it's all been done before and will continue long after. At least untill the SE's get there stuff together and fight it. If they ever do.

When you talk to a client do you give them this pitch too. Do you tell them that you arn't a good enough SEO to do things the right way (according to what the search engines want)? Do you tell them that the techniques you might have to use are against the search engines policys? That you don't know what might happen in the future to their site?

Or do you care?

Are you the guy who speeds past me going 30 over the limit? only to have me pull up behind you at the red light?

[Jill]

It was in the realm of web hosting, although web hosting wasn't the keyword phrase (or I would have known better!).

Sometimes my lack of competitive analysis comes back to bite me in the ass, yes it is true! But all's well that ends well.

J

[braindead]

>> That you don't know what might happen in the future to their site?

Most cloaking, etc , is used for short term campaigns. It's never been a long term strategy.

[Scottie]

It would, Ed, if she'd told me what topic the site was about, but she preferred not to say. I had to conclude that it couldn't have been in a particularly competitive area because, if it were, I would have expected someone as experienced as Jill to have realised it before she took it on.

So, you are simply guessing. You have no proof that it doesn't work...

[market seeker]

>> That you don't know what might happen in the future to their site?

Most cloaking, etc , is used for short term campaigns. It's never been a long term strategy.

so whats your point? is phils big secret, cloaking? I'm confused

[braindead]

She just admitted it doesn't work. "Competitive analysis". She can't go after the more competitive search terms because it doesn't work. Or did I misunderstand that?

[braindead]

>> That you don't know what might happen in the future to their site?

Most cloaking, etc , is used for short term campaigns. It's never been a long term strategy.

so whats your point? is phils big secret, cloaking? I'm confused

Short term has no long term. That's my point.

[PhilC]

market seeker, your post is laced with attitude but I'll respond to some of the questions. My results are not the topic of this debate. Yes, if I need to use methods that the engines don't approve of, my clients are made very aware of the situation and of any possible risks, and their agreement is always required. It says that on my site. I have never claimed to do anything that isn't done by a host of other people - I have no secret formula. And, although you didn't ask it, I tell all of my clients, before they become clients, that there is no guarantee of success - and I tell them that very very clearly.

[market seeker]

She just admitted it doesn't work. "Competitive analysis". She can't go after the more competitive search terms because it doesn't work. Or did I misunderstand that?

Come on braindead are just learning to read or are you smoking that funny stuff?? jeeze louis

[braindead]

Come on braindead are just learning to read or are you smoking that funny stuff?? jeeze louis

So she chose a less competitive keyword phrase for what reason?

[market seeker]

market seeker, your post is laced with attitude

You're right I apologize. I guess I'm getting a little irritated and will refrain from posting until it passes.

Thanks for pointing that out and thanks for answering my question

[qwerty]

Often, the less competitive terms are the more targeted ones. And those tend to lead to a better ROI. Don't we all do that?

[Jill]

Okay, we're starting to go in circles here.

If anyone has ever read what I write, I freely admit that I don't optimize for highly competitive keywords. So that's nothing new either. I don't optimize for one-word keywords, and many two-word phrases that might be extremely competitive...like say Web hosting.

The results that show up for those types of phrases are generally random, and will get more random over time as the Internet grows.

I'm sure Phil has had plenty of success with his spamming methods. Good for him. If he likes to work that way, that's his perogative. Got nothing to do with me or this forum. So how about we close this thread and move on because it's starting to become a waste of bandwidth.

Jill