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#1 reseo

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 03:05 AM

I am wondering if google considers content distributed with different mediums as duplicate content ?

Example 1:
I like to provide my webpages as well as a printable .pdf. I usually save that .pdf on my google drive, public access granted so everyone can read and share the files.

Does google consider the .pdf docs as duplicate content ?


Example 2:
What is actually about all other bookmarking websites ? Wouldn't that be the case of having duplicate content as well ?

Just to name a few one like pinterest, stumble upon, reddit, feeds, scoopit, delicious, digg, etc.

I mean, basically all these sites do not create unique content. These pages collect content, categorize it and distribute again....

I am actually wondering why all these sites do so well... all they do is actually generating duplicate content.

Isn't it exactly what they do ?
Isn't that weired ?
And how to explain ?

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 05:23 AM

Duplicate content is just ONE thing.

 

 

IDENTICAL (or very near identical) textual information that is available from multiple URLs

 

 

What is actually about all other bookmarking websites ? Wouldn't that be the case of having duplicate content as well ?

No.

 

 

Example 1:
I like to provide my webpages as well as a printable .pdf. I usually save that .pdf on my google drive, public access granted so everyone can read and share the files.

 

And do you then "build links" to it?

 

 

But of course if you give away your content to anybody and everybody to do with as they wish. ....

 

.... Being concerned about duplicates of your content appearing on the Internet should be the very LAST thing to be concerned about.

 

 

 

When you shoot yourself in the foot, ...... Don't be surprised when you develop a limp!!!!


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#3 Jill

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:00 AM

Does google consider the .pdf docs as duplicate content ?

 

 

Sure. That's what it is, right?



#4 reseo

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:38 PM

Yes, I usually build links to it. Directly from the page I write the article. I provide the article as downloadable .pdf.

 

@duplicate content:

yes.. that's duplicate content.. but is it something google will give you a penalty ?

 

grr.. anyways.. as more as I read about google.. as more I think about just one thing:

Why are so many people so crazy about google ? Why not just simple forget about their rules ?

 

I mean there is still a life and web presence without google.. isn't it ?



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Posted 08 August 2014 - 05:48 AM

 

Why not just simple forget about their rules ?

Google do not have 'rules', there are guidelines that you can choose to ignore or work within.

 

 

yes.. that's duplicate content.. but is it something google will give you a penalty ?

No, but it might be enough to trigger a filter.
 

 

I mean there is still a life and web presence without google.. isn't it ?

 

Of course.

 

 

Why are so many people so crazy about google ?

Dunno? Why are you??



#6 Jill

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 01:20 PM

that's duplicate content.. but is it something google will give you a penalty ?

 

 

Why would they penalize you for having a PDF with the same content as other information on your site? 

 

Do you think that Google is sitting out there just waiting to throw lightening bolts at websites for the fun of it?  They're not. 

 

They just might not show both your pdf and your web page with the same content, in the same search results as that wouldn't be all that helpful to their users (the searchers).



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Posted 08 August 2014 - 06:46 PM

@google:

yeah.. damm.. that's a good point... as more as I think about it and as more as people write crap about SEO.. I guess I simple should ignore all of it.. and what is left ?

I mean.. can we say, there is still some valid SEO left these days ? and if so --> where can I find them ?
 

 

@Filter/Penalty:

hmm.. not sure if a filter would be the same like a penalty... but I guess we all tend to NOT ignore google, since google is such a big player... if not the monopolist under the search engines...

but regardless, any website owner want to avoid google issues... right ? 

 

 

@chris+jill:

pleaese help me out... but if you don't focus on google... can I ask you then maybe the dumbest question on earth:

- Where do you set the focus to generate traffic, clients, visitors and people to communicate with...  especially to get and reach clients ?

 

I found you... well.. you bet... through google... lol;



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 12:09 AM

@Filter/Penalty:

hmm.. not sure if a filter would be the same like a penalty... but I guess we all tend to NOT ignore google, since google is such a big player... if not the monopolist under the search engines...

but regardless, any website owner want to avoid google issues... right ? 

 

 

Filters and penalties can have the same effect in terms of denying search referral traffic to a site, or in denying a site (or page) the ability to pass value through its links.  But a penalty is manually applied and can be appealed (with no guarantee of seeing the penalty lifted).  And even if the penalty is lifted the site is going to have to live without whatever earned the penalty in the first place.

 

Filters are algorithmic.  There is no appeal but if you fix whatever the algorithm objects to in many cases your problem goes away.  There are at least two, possibly 3 or even 4 major "offline" algorithms (Panda, Penguin, Payday Loan, and maybe Page Layout) that -- when integrated with the live system -- can have lasting effects that won't be revoked until one or two (or more) releases down the road.

 

Google says that they have integrated Panda rollouts into their process but they still seem to be crunching the data offline and adding it to the mix on a monthly or slightly less frequent basis.  People have been waiting for an update to Penguin since the last release in October 2013.

 

Resolving the issues that led to penalties and downgrades or filtration may or may not result in a site's traffic returning to previous levels.  I would not count on it happening in any short time frame.



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 07:21 AM

 

I found you... well.. you bet... through google... lol;

That's  because absolutely no effort has been spent in "link building", "articles" or "key words" for 'rankings'. Every word, every sentence, every paragraph, every rant has been written specifically with YOU in mind, there is almost as much content here that has been deleted to remove the "noise".

To pre-empt another question, why does Google 'like' HR??

 

Simple. Every link from HR URL,s  is deserved. There are NO spurious links, NO signatures, NO 'profile' links. Every 'editorial' link placed by members is subject to moderator scrutiny and as such will live or die on it's merit and value. The word 'relevant' does not apply, it has to be directly related to the topic. I think we are pretty good a winnowing out the chaff, and if we miss something or get a judgement call wrong ... The boss WILL remind us :)

 

 

 

Where do you set the focus to generate traffic, clients, visitors and people to communicate with...  especially to get and reach clients ?

It's the first rule of ANY MARKETING effort;

 

 

KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE

 

You cannot find your audience by targeting a particular search engine ... ... THEY FIND YOU. It is your job to provide the content that search engines want to show their users, NOT try and force search engines into 'ranking' your "home" page.



#10 Jill

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 08:39 AM

@chris+jill:

pleaese help me out... but if you don't focus on google... can I ask you then maybe the dumbest question on earth:

- Where do you set the focus to generate traffic, clients, visitors and people to communicate with...  especially to get and reach clients ?

 

I found you... well.. you bet... through google... lol;

 

 

Of course Google can and should bring lots of traffic, conversions and sales to your site. That's definitely one of the ultimate goals of SEO. But the problem lies in when you think of the goal only without understanding why it is that Google would do that for a site.

 

Google doesn't show pages of a site to their searchers because the site owner knew better than to make a PDF of an existing page available to their site visitors. That's the last thing Google would care about. 

 

All they care about (in an ideal world) is their users--the searchers. Google's goal is to provide the best, most accurate information to their searchers. That generally means that they try to choose a nice diverse set of results for any search query, because it wouldn't be a very good user experience to show 10 results that were all pretty much saying the same thing. 

 

So as a business owner / website owner who wants to focus on Google (which you should) your goal is to give them exactly what they want. Not a page that is stuffed full of keywords or a page that was linked to by a bunch of unknown article directories. But a page that provides relevant, unique, and interesting information that's displayed differently than any other information that's already available on the topic. 

 

By giving Google what their users want, you're giving Google what they want.


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#11 Jill

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 09:07 AM

See this new topic for my answer to whether or not we focus on Google.






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