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How To Setup A Two Language Site With Webmaster Tool ?


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#1 reseo

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 02:28 PM

Hello!

I am planning to setup the following language directories.

root.com as my main English site
root.com/de/ for my German site

I was reading that I need to setup this structure also in google webmaster tool.

However.. I tried to find articles explaining what I have to do in the webmaster tool.

I was not able to find any tutorial showing how I have to do it.

Does anybody know how it works ?
Or any link to an article or tutorial ?


And the second challenge. I use WordPress.
Any article that demonstrates how I have to link between the language pages ?

Or maybe any WP plugin that might help doing it ?

Thank you so much for any little help !

#2 Jill

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 02:32 PM

It's all the same site, just different directories so no need to set up 2 different accounts in webmaster tools. Not sure what you may have read that said to do so, as that doesn't sound correct.



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Posted 18 May 2014 - 04:51 PM

Wordpress codex on multiple languages



#4 reseo

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 06:37 PM

Ok.. so no need to do anything in google webmaster....

Is there any easy wp plugin that links the pages indicating different language alternatives?

I read you have to link between the pages that Google knows you have no duplicates...
But just the same page in a different language. ..

Linking between then without a plugin seems to be very tedious.

what I mean is the X-Default Hreflang attribute value.... I can't figure out if I have to do it in the sitemap only, or is it mandatory on the pages ? Or on both ? And I was thinking... if I have to link from each page.. it's also a lot of work, constantly checking and making sure that all pages are linking to each other. I looked up the WP-Plugins Chris mentioned.. but what I read was very complex. Such plugins do so much more. I just try to keep it simple - if possible. And one more thing that popped up... if I do have a directory like example.com/de/ Does this directory than automatically work for Austria and the Swiss as well ?
 

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 02:20 AM

I read you have to link between the pages that Google knows you have no duplicates...
But just the same page in a different language. ..
 

 

Google explicitly state that trhey don't consider translations to be duplicates:

 

 ....  our algorithms won't view the same article written in English and Spanish as duplicate content.

 

 

Source.

 

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:22 AM

How can they be 'duplicates' if they are in a different language?

 

 

Does this directory than automatically work for Austria and the Swiss as well ?

It those visitors can read German, of course it will



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:19 PM

Hello Hello,
 
thank you so much. That's indeed great news. So I do not need to worry about duplicates - because simple different language is not a duplicate content - awesome.
 
I found today a really good explaining video from google:
https://support.goog...er/189077?hl=en
 
might help someone else as well.
 
cool.. thank you all so much for your input.
great people - great forum - yeehhaaa


ohh.. just to double check and verify I do it right... 
 
here is what I would do with my sitemap for the following strucutre:
 
root.com / English
root.com/de / German
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<urlset xmlns="http://www.sitemaps.org/schemas/sitemap/0.9"
  xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
  
<url>
    <loc>http://www.root.com/</loc>
       <xhtml:link 
                 rel="alternate"
                 hreflang="en"
                 href="http://www.root.com/"
                 />
 
<xhtml:link 
                 rel="alternate"
                 hreflang="de"
                 href="http://www.root.com/de/"
                 />

</url>
  
  <url>
    <loc>http://www.root.com/de/</loc>

         <xhtml:link 
                 rel="alternate"
                 hreflang="de"
                 href="http://www.root.com/de/"
                 />

    <xhtml:link 
                 rel="alternate"
                 hreflang="en"
                 href="http://www.root.com/"
                 />
  </url>
  
</urlset>
ok... so this is it, right ?
 
And it's ok if I only do this within the Sitemap, right ?
No need to link between single pages - and no need to identify in every single page (within the header or so) the alternate href language, right ?
 
 
if it works like that.. awesome....

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 05:52 AM

It will probably work for the bots that read the sitemap, but what about the humans beings that don't?

 

You do need a way to them to switch should they need to, the basic premise is, do not worry about search engines, if you provide a way for your REAL visitors to switch between lanuage URLs on every single document, search engines will just deal with it.

 

Get out of this paranoia that search engines algorithms are just waiting to find an 'excuse' to penalise site operators that are making it easy for real users to find the parts of your site that suit them.

 

Take a look at host1plus.co.uk for an example of a multiple language site that makes it easy for users to switch from one to the other.



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 09:31 AM

@Chris:

yes.. thank you.. you are right... makes totally sense...  I was digging into free WP plugins and figured that polylang is really cool. Installed it and I have to say: wow.. this thing is awesome.

 

Can be found here:

 wordpress.org/support/plugin/polylang

 

 

Another thing I am not a 100% clear about.

 

In the above video from google... they mention that if you do have at least two different languages.. you should use always the same or identical directory structure.

 

sooo..  practical speaking:

if you use english and german

 

root.com/en/page.html

root.com/de/seite.html

 

 

Question:

If I see english as my default language...  should I still create an /en/ directory ?

 

Or can I also just go with the english language like this

root.com/page.html 

 

What you think ?

Maybe doesn't make any difference I guess, right ?

 

Just mentioned it, because google mentioned to keep the directory structure similar...

just my thoughts... it might be better to use ALWAYS a directory for any specific language .... as soon as you start with a second language.... 


Edited by Jill, 20 May 2014 - 01:33 PM.


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Posted 21 May 2014 - 05:21 PM

Wanted to follow up.

 

My final conclusion about the /en/ and /de/ directory.

It doesn't actually matter.

I hope that might help someone else too.



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Posted 21 May 2014 - 08:48 PM

 

My final conclusion about the /en/ and /de/ directory.

It doesn't actually matter.

 

Whoo hoo folks, a successful conclusion . :)



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Posted 22 May 2014 - 06:03 PM

haha.. yeah I know.. right.. let's crack a bottle...  champagne.... :hatwhite: yeehaaaa 






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