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Posted 28 March 2004 - 12:22 AM
I have the website ChristianOutdoorsman.com
But I also own the following domain names...
Christian Outdoorsman would be the portal. With nav links out to the others.
I foresee main pages of all sites maintaining similar look and functionality. All crosslinking to one another.
Christian Outdoor Store would be a shared store for all sites.
Christian Bowhunter, Shooter, Angler Would all have content very specific to activities.
Christian Outdoor Forum would be the home for the forums of all.
I will keep the brand awareness in all sites... I would have our logo in the header of all so that brand does'nt get diluted.
Christian Outdoorsman's...Christian Bowhunter etc.
Also, I own the .net and .org of these sites. If I direct those to the corresponding .com, would I want to register those with search engines as well? Or is this frowned upon. I bought those to protect brand if you know what I mean.... not as a SEO ploy.
Does this make sense or just make alot of extra work.
Posted 28 March 2004 - 12:29 AM
Just depends on how you like it. The impact on the search engines should (theoretically) be the same, as they should pretty much see them as all parts of the whole no matter how you do it. (Which is a good thing, and how they should see it.)
Posted 28 March 2004 - 12:44 AM
And again, if I point all domains to these sub domains or one central domain, is that frowned upon, and should they all be registered with engines.
I appreciated your timely response!
Posted 28 March 2004 - 03:16 AM
Posted 28 March 2004 - 08:41 AM
If you point all of the extra domains to the main one, or even a sub-domain that is part of the main domain, that will work just fine. It's the way the search engines like to see things done.
FYI, when redirecting those you will want to use a 301 Permanent Redirect. Not only is that better for visitors, but Google will attempt to transfer any PR the "family" sites have over to the main site automatically.
As to the Family or One Main Site question, I'm becoming more and more of the mind that having one larger site is the way to go. The only problem is coming up with a site navigation structure that works well enough so that your visitors don't get lost. Whether it's a sub-domain (ie forum.domain.com) or directory (ie www.domain.com/forum) makes little difference to the search engines as far as I can tell.
The reason I'm leaning more towards one massive site these days is that Google specifically seems to be giving some sort of bonus to larger sites. Likely because of the base PR of the larger site, but it's hard to tell without some significant testing. It's as if having more pages is making it easier to reach Authority Site status because you're not dividing your efforts --and PR-- between multiple sites.
Just a personal observation there. And something I'll be testing over the next few months.
Posted 28 March 2004 - 08:49 AM
What you say does hold some truth, however there's a caveat that needs to be thrown into the mix.
The higher the PR or Authority of your site, the more interest Google etal will have in the site, and the deeper they will spider. This seems to hold especially true with dynamically generated sites, though we may just notice it more with those types of sites because they tend to have more "pages" because of their dynamic nature.
The bottom line for most discussions along these lines is that the bots will normally get all of your site regardless since the number of pages they will spider for decent PR sites is pretty high.
I don't remember the exact numbers, but they were in the thousands of pages for sites that have a decent number of backlinks and mid-range PR level. Grumpus has studied this in the past and posted some numbers from his testing somewhere around here. Keep and eye out for his posts or do a forum search if you're interested in the exact numbers Grumpus came up with during his testing.
<Edit -- I found one of G's posts referencing this so will add the info here.>
In This Post from January Grumpus mentions the following general numbers regarding how deeply Google will crawl, depending upon the site's base PR level:
Take the PR of your Homepage:
PR4 sites get about 15,000-22,000
PR5 sites get about 22,000-30,000
PR6 sites get about 30,000-38,000
Give or take.
Grumpus states that these change from time to time and that they're a range of what you can expect. That said, most PR4 and above sites are not going to have to worry much about hitting some Deep Crawl Upper Page Limit.
(Thanks again for the info G!)
Edited by Randy, 28 March 2004 - 09:34 AM.
Posted 28 March 2004 - 10:17 AM
For example, Top: Recreation: Outdoors: Chats and Forums has PR7 and only 22 other links. I'm not sure what category your merged site would be placed in. Would it be in a general outdoor category, or a Christian one? DMOZ can be bit of a crap shoot, but definitely something to consider when setting up a site. In my own case, my sites are listed in very unhelpful categories and I wish I could afford seperate sites for each niche I serve.
Posted 28 March 2004 - 10:29 AM
If your site is crawler-friendly, the engines will index all the pages. I see plenty of sites with tens of thousands of pages in Google and the other engines.
Posted 28 March 2004 - 10:35 AM
Anyway, those figures, as I said, are quite general - and even when I posted 'em in January, they were already beginning to become inaccurate, but as a thumbnail sketch, I guess they still work. The reality of the entire process is a bit more complicated. In the past (I say that because I'm not sure what's going on right now) the "do I crawl the links on this page?" decision was made by the pagerank (or guessed PR) of that page itself. If the page is well linked (internally or externally) it'll have a higher PR and therefore it's more important. Since it's more important, the pages it links to are likely more important and worth looking at. As you work deeper into the site, the PR and importance goes down and, eventually, Googlebot decides to not go any deeper on this path and go back up to another path with more importance. And then, finally, time runs out and it's time to update and start again.
So, in theory, it doesn't matter which you use - subdomains, domains, or directory structure. The one thing to consider, is that it can be more difficult to get a subdirectory listed in directories like DMOZ. It can be done, don't get me wrong, but it's a visual strike against the submission even before an editor goes and checks it out. But, then again, if there isn't enough content and usefulness there, you're not going to get the subdomain or TLD listed in the directories either. In essence, if the "section" isn't worth listing, having it on its own domain only wastes more of the editor's time before he or she rejects it. (I've had many pages put into the DMOZ and other directories over the years as site.com/subject/index.htm so long as the subject had the power to stand on its own and was significantly useful for the category I submitted it to).
<shrug> If it stands alone as a good site, make it a separate site. If it is better as a part of your main site, then make it a part of your own site. I'd be more worried about dilluting my brand when making this decision than worrying about what spiders are gonna think.
Posted 28 March 2004 - 10:49 AM
The one thing to consider, is that it can be more difficult to get a subdirectory listed in directories like DMOZ. It can be done, don't get me wrong, but it's a visual strike against the submission even before an editor goes and checks it out. But, then again, if there isn't enough content and usefulness there, you're not going to get the subdomain or TLD listed in the directories either. In essence, if the "section" isn't worth listing, having it on its own domain only wastes more of the editor's time before he or she rejects it.
Yes, exactly. Regardless of how you set it up, the information has to be totally different from the other information in order to get into the directory.
IMO, if you do it as subdirectories, at least you show the world, the engines, and the directories that you're not attempting to trick them in some way. Sometimes they get suspicious if you create new domains where they really aren't necessary, as this technique has been used by spammers for so long.
Posted 28 March 2004 - 12:49 PM
Christian Bowhunters of America?
Posted 28 March 2004 - 11:06 PM
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