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Alt tag vs. Alt attribute debate


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#1 cfreek

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:09 PM

alt *attributes*

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE(cfreek @ Jan 30 2012, 08:09 PM) View Post
alt *attributes*



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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:38 PM

You guys are fighting a losing battle there because it's become such commonly used term so why don't we get W3C to agree to call them tagtributes

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:09 PM

The SEO community would go on a rampage, insisting that calling them "tagtributes" would mean the end of the Internet, freedom of speech, and life on Earth as we know it.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 07:51 AM

QUOTE(piskie @ Jan 30 2012, 08:38 PM) View Post
You guys are fighting a losing bso why don't we get W3C to agree to call them tagtributes



I don't think so. I'm the least-knowledgeable HTML person in this forum, but even I know the difference between a tag and an attribute.

As for "tagtributes", I would have to wash my mouth out with carbolic acid if I ever used that term.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:05 PM

I jest.
It's just that I frequently see haggling over Tags and Attributes dilute an otherwise constructive Topic.
Why can't we just accept it as a common and harmless euphemism.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE(piskie @ Jan 31 2012, 11:05 AM) View Post
I jest.
It's just that I frequently see haggling over Tags and Attributes dilute an otherwise constructive Topic.
Why can't we just accept it as a common and harmless euphemism.


For the same reason I want to blow myself up every time I see someone say "Well, John and myself ...."
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Edited by Michael Martinez, 31 January 2012 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:00 PM

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A euphemism is the substitution of a mild, inoffensive, relatively uncontroversial phrase...


I consider wrong to be wrong and accepting it as right is offensive. Accepting whatever incorrect terms people come up with would also make it OK for people to make requests for updates to their "alt title tags" and other interesting terms that we have no idea what they are talking about.

And... The conversation went: initial question, my condescending response, Chris' polite "Thank you", then Chris' answer to the OP. This leads me to believe that the conversation fully goes off topic when the improper use of the word is defended.

Just my two cents, I'll stop ranting now.



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Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:04 PM

Unfortunately it is NOT "harmless", neither is it a "euphemim".

Attributes and tags are NOT interchangable name or items.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:51 PM

Often that innocent mistake is treated as far more important than the Topic itself.
Interrupting the flow to point out this grave error disturbs the flow of a discussion and dilutes the effectiveness of the constructive contributions.

Other forums don't seem to treat this issue as a holy crusade.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:21 PM

A chance to rant :-)

<title>Something</title>

The <title> part is the start tag and the </title> is the end tag. The whole thing is an element.

So technically we should be saying text in a title element when referring to the pages title. Not title tag.

We've given up on trying to make people say that one correctly huh.gif

With attributes it's the title one that is more important that we refer to it correctly.

The title element is used in the head element and contains the title text of the page. title attributes can be used in tags to describe an element. In many cases the title attribute text is displayed when you hover over the element it relates to (tool tip).

I'm glad I got that out. phew.gif

#12 Michael Martinez

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:51 PM

Should we attribute this element of the discussion to you or would you just like to be linked and tagged for it?
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:15 AM

The purpose behind this forum is to educate and inform, and let's face it, with the influx of "outsourcing" where every man, woman and their dog can be "executives" or ""experts", SEO has become the one of the worst educated and ill-disciplined industries around.
If you can spell "Goolge" correctly you too can be a "guru", or so it seems.

Sometimes the ONLY way you can tell the clowns and the knowlegable apart is through the use of appropriate terminology.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:03 PM

QUOTE(chrishirst @ Feb 1 2012, 04:15 AM) View Post
Sometimes the ONLY way you can tell the clowns and the knowlegable apart is through the use of appropriate terminology.


Well said.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 08:23 AM

I recently suggested to a client that wanted to take over more of the ongoing work on their site that they visit this forum foe "Expert and Friendly" advice.
After lurking for a while, they decided it was a no go.
The reason that they decided that was seeing a member unceremoniously jumped on for a minor terminology slip.
Their words not mine.
I asked what this terminology slip was and they said Alt Tag seems to be treated on a par with foul language.
Anyway, they are now well entrenched in another forum and enjoying the learning experience.
So as far as HR is concerned, "A Job Well Done".

Incidentally the advice they are now getting is (IMO) not up to the standard that would have been gleaned from this forum.

So you tell me who gained from that First Impression ??





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