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[discountdomains]

Hi,

While we are waiting for the next PR update, I was wondering to what extent does a PR update make a difference?

I know that Google knows the true PR of every site etc, and the PR value is just an indication etc but does this get calculated every day or only when a PR update appears?

The reason I ask is that I have been working on new links for 3 months, and have seen my ranking improve, as I have made content changes at the same time, I am uncertain which factor is making a difference etc.

As non of the new links appear as backlinks is harder to know whats working and whats not etc.

Clare

[Kev]

Same here feller.

I've had loads of links confirmed as being added by various directories- some since just before Xmas 2003- and they're still not listed as backlinks on either google or alltheweb. I know they're there as I've checked to be certain but they're just not getting picked up- I have no idea why

[discountdomains]

H,

Thats because there has not been a page rank update since January.

My question is, does Google SERP's use the latest link position or does it work off the database that drives the PR and backlinks you can see when you use the Google link tool etc?

Clare

Edited by discountdomains, 16 March 2004 - 10:15 AM.

[Diniz]

There doesnt appear to be any logic as to which backlinks googl will show. However my guess is that the effect of the new links makes a difference between backlink updates since I have seen my site steadily clime for the keywords in the links I have been building the last few weeks but not for other words targetted in the content.

I think there is a good chance an update will occur this coming weekend since it is the new moon on Saturday and the January update occured at the time of the new moon.

Just because links arn't displayed doesn't mean they arn't being picked up. I always check the source on a links page to make sure there is no meta noindex, nofollow. You also sometimes get people who use a redirect to reach the links page containing such a tag and some people will take your link down after a week or so once they think you have checked. If any of these things occurs there is the opportunitry to inform the partners of that site and get them to swith links to you.

[Kev]

Thats because there has not been a page rank update since January

But that wouldn't affect Alltheweb, surely? Would it? Am still a bit of a n00b at all this stuff.

[Ron Carnell]

No one but Google knows for certain, but the math involved in calculating actual Page Rank requires a truly massive sweep of the index. In theory, PR calculations cannot be done in isolation, but rather has to include ALL other pages in the index, meaning it's highly unlikely that PR is updated daily or even weekly. Chances are, I think, that a PR update comes when it comes because that's when Google has completed its calculations.

However, Page Rank is not the be-all and end-all of backlinks. The anchor text used on new links also counts, and I strongly suspect that is being updated all the time. So, even though you may not yet be getting an increased PR for new links, you may nonetheless see an incremental rise in the rankings because of the anchor text in your new links.

[discountdomains]

Interestingly following the PR update this morning, I have a further 80 links showing up, but exactly the same SERPs on Google for all my main keyphrases.

This implies, that either that true PR is being calculated regularly anyway, or that what ever aspect of linkage that effects SERP is updated constantly.

Clare

[Ron Carnell]

This implies, that either that true PR is being calculated regularly anyway, or that what ever aspect of linkage that effects SERP is updated constantly.

The third possibility, Clare, is that PR has very little effect on rankings in your niche.

[Grumpus]

Yet another possibility and the one that usually makes most sense to me is...

Did you actually get 80 more links this past month? Or did google just find more? And if they just found more for your site, isn't it also likely that they found just as many (percentagewise) new links for all the other sites in your SERPS? And if virtually everyone went up the same percentage of backlinks due to the deeper crawl this month, then doesn't it make sense that the rankings would be unaffected assuming that there were no Keep the Faith When the [url=http://searchengineland.com/070621-145956.php]Keep the Faith When the Algo Changes[/url] going along with the PR update?

G.

[moparious]

one of my sites picked up two more backlinks on google on the 16th of this month. They had been there for 3 months. One thing I do is when I get a link on someones page I submit that page to google. I am not sure if this helps but I figure this cant hurt.

David

[discountdomains]

Hi,

I have been adding on average a link a day since November, and it is these that have appeared in my backlinks.

During this same time period my SERPS for my keyphrases, has been rising at slow and steady rate. Which implies the links have been picked up and worked into the SERPS.

For 4 different phrases they has been no change, these seems too great a co-incidence and its hard to accept that everyone else has made exactly offsetting changes.

Clare

[Diniz]

Im with you on this one Clare. Over the last month I have been getting links for this one phrase and my rankings have been climing a little every other day up to P2 a couple of days ago. phrases with out these worsd have not changed much. Only thing is, I get to the top and no ones clicking on the link. Have rewritten title, description and some chunks in the body to see if peoples eyes will catch my listing.