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#1 qwerty

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Posted 13 March 2004 - 03:27 PM

One of my clients just switched her e-commerce site to Zen Cart and asked me to have a look. She was concerned that it might be bloating her code. So I went to one of her catalog pages, right-clicked and selected View Source. Nothing happened. So I clicked the View menu and selected Source. Again, nothing.

I ended up downloading the page and opening the html in notepad, and what I saw had me kind of concerned: the meta tags (both kw and description) had line breaks in them, and there were no quotation marks around their names. So we had stuff like
<META 
content="kw1 kw2 kw3" 
name=keywords>
I was concerned. She told me she'd go out to the Zen Cart forums and ask about it. They told her that what I was seeing was showing up because I'd saved the file locally, and that all I needed to do to view the source "normally" is to go to the page in my browser, click inside the location bar, go to the end of the URL, hit enter, and THEN I'd be able to view the source code normally.

And yes, I do that, and it works, but obviously a spider isn't going to go through all that :applause:

So... I decided to try to see what a spider would see. In the lynx viewer the page is fine, but it doesn't display meta tags. So I tried looking at it with the spider simulator at http://tools.summitmedia.co.uk/spider/

It choked. It came up with the keywords, but told me the description tag was missing. Another spider simulator, the one at http://seo.zunch.com/spidersim.html told me the metas were fine, but it found a line break or two in the title tag.

So, I guess I've got two questions: First, does anyone have experience with Zen Cart, and have they experienced any problems with it? Second, is there a better spider simulator I can run these pages through to get a better idea of what Googlebot and Slurp will see?

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Posted 13 March 2004 - 03:39 PM

Qwerty,

Some of the lynx-based spider simulators may not support cookies (which Googlebot wouldn't either) and that may account for some of the squirrelyness.

If you send me the info, I can take a look by telneting into port 80. That would be the surest way to check.

#3 qwerty

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Posted 13 March 2004 - 03:43 PM

That would be great, Tom.

This is the URL I was testing:
http://www.dogschoice.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=55&products_id=184&zenid=d2ef2d407a2e17b556ec356ebebb2c71


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Posted 13 March 2004 - 04:04 PM

Here's what I got back from telnet (sorry for the splat post).

Looks like a cookie is indeed being set, but otherwise the meta tags look okay (line wrapping makes it look funny, but the tags are all on one line).

Does that tell you what you need?


HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:11:17 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7c PHP/4.3.4
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.4
Set-Cookie: zenid=d2ef2d407a2e17b556ec356ebebb2c71; path=/; domain=.dogschoice.com
Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0
Pragma: no-cache
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xh
tml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" dir="ltr" lang="en">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<title>Bio Groom Flea and Tick Spray - $0.00 : Dog's Choice, Grooming for Health</title>
<meta name="keywords" content="Dog Bathing Basics Daily Canine Nutrition Nutritional Supplements S
kin Care &amp Healing Dog Ear and Eye Care Canine Oral Hygiene Pest and Parasite Control Hand Held
Grooming Tools Clippers and Grooming Equipment Finishing Touches dog grooming, grooming products,
grooming supplies, pet supplies, dog advice, grooming advice, health tips Bio Groom Flea and Tick
Spray" />
<meta name="description" content="Dog's Choice : Bio Groom Flea and Tick Spray - his formula is wa
ter-based with Lanolin and provides control of fleas, ticks, and lice for up to two ..." />

#5 qwerty

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Posted 13 March 2004 - 04:09 PM

Yes! Thanks. I feel much better now.

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Posted 13 March 2004 - 05:50 PM

FWIW, linebreaks in tags or anywhere in the HTML code don't make a difference to the search engines as far as I know.

But it sounds like you're all set anyway thanks to Tom's help!

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Posted 13 March 2004 - 08:16 PM

Zen cart Has a good team of developers [former osCommerce team members] but as far as I know at this stage it is still a beta release. Personally, I would be waiting for the first official release before going live with an online shop.

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Posted 16 March 2004 - 09:45 AM

Hey qwerty! could you possibly drop me a link to the site that casuing problems with our spider simulator - [http://tools.summitm....co.uk/spider/] - so that I can have a look and fix the bug? Thanks in advance!

Edited by Jill, 16 March 2004 - 09:56 AM.


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Posted 16 March 2004 - 10:11 AM

Just have a look at the URL I posted above, Leon: the third post on this page. I'm not certain that it's a bug in your simulator, but I'd be happy to have you take a look.




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