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[alohame]

Hi All,

I hope you could help me with this huge issue we come across.

We have been working hard on our site for the last 6 moths and got some excellent results. We moved up slowly and steady and had a good ranking for 7 keywords. They were all at first page of google.

Our website is "whitewidgetsshop.com" ranked below keywords at google:

white widgets shop #1
white widgets #2
white gadgets #2 (gadgets is the synonymous for widgets)
white widget ideas - #2
unique widgets #7
unique widget ideas # 2
unusual widgets #8


For below keywords including our domain name search completely disappeared from google. Nowhere to be seen!
white widgets
white gadgets
white widget ideas
white widgets shop

For below keywords it still remains as same:
unique widgets #7
unique widget ideas # 2
unusual widgets #8

Before all these happened all keywords below went to #1 in the morning and removed by 3pm!
white widgets
white gadgets (gadgets is the synonymous for widgets)
white widget ideas

Some other internal pages we have been building links for also disappeared, some remain as same.

It seems like any keyword contains "white" which is in our domain, has disappeared. I may be wrong!

An example for an internal page:

white kids widgets was #1 and completely disappeared
kids widgets still remains at #4

Our visits dropped around 40% due to those keywords loosing their position. Well not just loosing! Completely disappeared. Other than that business as usual. Lots of other pages come up on google page 1.

I hope I explained it well and need your advise. I need to know what caused this?

Any questions please ask.

Regards

[chrishirst]

Sounds pretty normal.

http://searchenginel...f-success-13258

[alohame]

Sounds pretty normal.

http://searchenginel...f-success-13258

Thanks chris,


I've read this article before. We had ups and downs around 6 months ago when we started doing on page and off page SEO. Since than we have been rising for those keywords steadily. Suddenly the ones that contain our domain name completely disappeared. No where to be seen. Others still remains same.

Can you elaborate please what is normal?

We are all trying to learn from our mistakes

Regards

[chrishirst]

Can you elaborate please what is normal?

Almost everything. The world of SEs and web pages is far from a "static" medium, it is not even a gently rippling pond! It is a maelstrom.

The number of pages that exist is continually changing and every change requires a recalculation of the pages that are affected by these new appearances.

Links to pages come and go, and again requires that everything be recalculated.

This IS "Chaos Theory" in action. And for you, looking at the effects on your page of this is like looking at an iceberg and thinking, "well its not that big"
You CANNOT see what is going on.

Your rankings might be page#1 at 9am and be nowhere at all at 10am because of some change that you are not aware of.

Maybe your whole approach has simply been too "SEO by numbers" and some line has been crossed.
Maybe some pages that linked to you have been taken down or devalued.

etc etc.

The only thing that is "normal", is that it is constantly changing.

[Jill]

It's impossible to say what may or may not have happened without thoroughly analyzing your site.

It could be anything from a technical issue, to you building most of your links with the same "white" anchor text.

No way to know without all the fact, looking at the site as well as your analytics. And even then, there may be no definitive answer.

[alohame]

I've been told by someone that our links are mostly from blog postings, articles, directories etc. and a competitor could of sent in a spam report on my site.

Is this possible?

[Jill]

Is this possible?

It's possible. But if your site isn't spammy or doing anything spammy, then why worry?

[alohame]

It's possible. But if your site isn't spammy or doing anything spammy, then why worry?

We are not worried about that at all. I think I will just leave it see what happens.

[RegDCP]

We are not worried about that at all. I think I will just leave it see what happens.

I think I would worry.

I have been seeing a lot of "My site disappeared" posts lately and if you go to the site they are invariably absolutely stuffed with keywords.
One had the primary keyword repeated 123 times. Most were in the 40 to 60 range.

Caffeine has upped the importance of relevance and this includes closer scrutiny of page copy.
Perhaps their "Too many repetitions" trigger has been set to a finer tolerance?

LSI (Latent Semantic Imaging) seems to be on the rise with Google telling us to "Get your subject relevance on: Relevance now goes beyond link density as site density and silo density and synonym densities play a role." (My bold)

best,
Reg

[Jill]

Caffeine has upped the importance of relevance and this includes closer scrutiny of page copy.

No it didn't.

Caffeine had only to do with stuff being able to be indexed more quickly. It was more about real time search and nothing to do with relevancy.

You may be thinking of the May Day Update which was indeed about relevancy, but was separate from Caffeine.

[alohame]

Update:

All our pages come back after 48 hours. I wonder what happened here?

This drop happened with the keywords that contain part of our domain name.

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Reg

I don't think we have spammy pages at all. Our most important keyword appears 4-5 times in the content. The others varied keyword phrases. It reads well and doesn't sound spammy at all.

[chrishirst]

All our pages come back after 48 hours. I wonder what happened here?

Absolutely nothing at all out of the ordinary.

[chrishirst]

BTW

Why is it so difficult to understand that for at least FIVE years now checking rankings is a pointless task!

Surely one one the message will get through!!!