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#1 AndroSEO

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:39 AM

Hello everybody,

I´ve got quite a dilemma on my hands. The company I work for is in a very tough and competitive online sector. We´ve just completely changed the structure of our webpage, so that all of our webpages remain on one domain, to give the domain more weight. So if before we had a .it for Italy, now instead its .com/it. We did all this in accordance with the advice of several SEO specialists. We´ve revamped the entire site making everything more SEO friendly, with different meta tags and titles for each page, etc. So here´s my problem, and the pressure is building each passing day to find a solution.

Google seems to like the changes, and upped our pagerank to 4 from 5.
However, as of almost a month, we´ve virtually dissapeared from any organic results. This is true of every country. We're almost not even In some places we were near the top before, in some places we were on the first page, and now, NOTHING. We do not do ANY black hat, we don´t buy any links, and we dont do manipulative link exchange or spam. I really don't understand what is wrong. What's wrong with our website that is making google punish us? Are they penalizing us? why the better pagerank but zero rankings? Are we in the sandbox?

The page is <removed per [url=http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules]Forum Rules[/url]>

Thank you so much for any imput, i´m really running out of ideas, and could really use your help.

PS Some people are also telling me that they can not access the site, although, I can access if just fine, even with proxies. And clients are still coming in every day and making purchases, so it seems to be accessable, at least most of the time. When I ping my server the site seems to lag in responding more so than usual, can this effect my google rankings? do you think it lags too much? Or did we commit some fatal mistake in violation of google guidelines... ? I´ve already written google a reinsertion request... i don´t know what else to do... but if I don´t do it soon, my boss is gonna kill me! girl_cray2.gif

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#2 Michael Martinez

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 12:51 PM

Consolidating several domains' content on one domain SHOULD cause you to lose search visibility. Any SEOs who may have advised you to do that SHOULD have warned you about what would happen.

Assuming you executed the transition correctly, you'll see some of your rankings come back. There is no way to be sure you'll get them all back.

Based on the little information you provide here, I see no reason for why any credible SEO should have made such a recommendation. What was your long-term goal? What were you hoping to achieve? Did the SEOs provide any caveats that you may have felt (at the time) were not important?


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Posted 22 June 2009 - 12:54 PM

I did only a quick spot check on the old .it version of the domain, but it looks like you've set up proper 301 redirects on it judging by the few pages I checked.

It may be simply a case that the engines are still catching up with the recent changes. That said is all of this housed on the same server now? And is the server based in the US? If so, you might be throwing the search engines for a bit of a loop on the geolocation front. You're kind of telling them two very conflicting things.

This is a .com global domain where the pages are available in multiple languages.

Which is not quite the same thing as you were telling them before, which was essentially Even though it is hosted on a US based server, this is an Italian site, as you can plainly see from the .it extension.

You'll probably want to read the pinned thread above. It has a lot of good information regarding geolocation issues.

One other question...

Can those alternate language pages be reached from clean html links on the main site? I see the dropdown box at the top, but it's driven by Javascript, so likely isn't even being seen by the search engine spiders. Do you have any clean links anywhere that allow the search engines to get to those alternate language pages?

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE(Randy @ Jun 22 2009, 12:54 PM) View Post
I did only a quick spot check on the old .it version of the domain, but it looks like you've set up proper 301 redirects on it judging by the few pages I checked.


Hello, and thank you for your prompt reply.

At the end of last month, we had changed the dropbox to be HTML in CSS. 48 hours later our rankings plummeted. It was a suggestion of SEOMOZ that we change it to CSS, and it was also their suggestion that we group all the domains together into one big page. So we had the dropbox in css... but this caused text to be indexed on every single one of the pages, at the very top, with a long list of languages.

So we looked back and thought, that must be the problem, because it created duplicate content that had no relation to the page. So 5 days ago, we changed it back to javascript, to see if this accounted for the loss of ranking. There has not been any movement yet, but at least the first text to be indexed on each page is not a list of languages. If you look on our sitemap, you will see that there is a list directing google to all the different pages in their languages. www.andromedical.com/sitemap

What do you think?

QUOTE(Michael Martinez @ Jun 22 2009, 12:51 PM) View Post
Consolidating several domains' content on one domain SHOULD cause you to lose search visibility. Any SEOs who may have advised you to do that SHOULD have warned you about what would happen.

Assuming you executed the transition correctly, you'll see some of your rankings come back. There is no way to be sure you'll get them all back.

Based on the little information you provide here, I see no reason for why any credible SEO should have made such a recommendation. What was your long-term goal? What were you hoping to achieve? Did the SEOs provide any caveats that you may have felt (at the time) were not important?


It was SEOmoz, but we followed their advice to the letter. We did not leave anything out. Could it be that my server is lagging too much? this is another possibility, it seems to be rather slow when I ping it....

Thank you

#5 Michael Martinez

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 01:18 PM

I cannot infer from what you have disclosed/shared here what your purpose was. I don't know why the people at SEOmoz would have made such a recommendation. It could have been for good reason for all I know.

Did they warn you that you would see a probable temporary loss in rankings? You should have expected as much. I would not worry too much if the new content is crawlable and indexable. You should see improvement over the next few weeks.

#6 Jill

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 02:06 PM

If you've contracted with SEOmoz for this work, your best bet is to ask them what's happening, and what (if anything) you should do about it.

I would highly suggest that you stop continuing to make a variety of changes as you're just going to confuse the issue. Changes take time to sort out and you will end up thinking something caused a problem (or fixed a problem) when in reality it didn't.

At any rate, like I said, go back to your consultants and discuss with them.

If you weren't a paying client of theirs and just did stuff you read in a forum thread there, or something like that, then perhaps you misinterpreted something. It's not really advisable to make major changes to a site based on stuff you've read without having a consultant specifically review your unique needs, imo.




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