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[icarusthevirus]

I've seen some mixed results from inktomi and some from google on Yahoo.

Do anyone of you have any idea?

[MakeMeTop]

This has been going on for some time with testing on different IPs prior to the roll-out of INK due sometime before March 31st.

[thx1138]

I just saw pure Inktomi results on Yahoo.com and it got me wondering, when Yahoo finally make the switch are they likely to add their own filters and algo's to the results or will they just display pure Inktomi, what's the consensus view?

[LeafsRule]

I saw Inktomi for a second a while ago more interesting are the present results. Looks like the descriptions are from Yahoo! directory and the results have filtered dupes and indented results from the Google Index. The results are pretty much Googles with what looks like some use of the directory which does affects the order of results. Often the sites out of order are the editor picks (what used to be called cool sites) are getting a little more juice from the directory. Very sweet, I'd love to see that done with Inktomi results!

The directory disappears depending on the type of query. Worth a peak if you want to do some SERP surfing.

[powerofeyes]

I am seeing some really weird results here, Not Google ( any of google's datacentre) , not altavista, not INKTOMI, not alltheweb it is absolutely different and looks very good,
What I am seeing now I cant believe my eyes, Is yahoo out with some ranking algorithm, There are some mixed INKTOMI results in that for some rare phrases but mostly it is not there for common phrases, so can anyone help me out what I am seeing,
Is this a new algorithm from yahoo, I am sure it is not from any of yahoo owned search engines, The whole ranking algorithm looks completely different from all the other search engines, Almost 40+ of our sites are ranking extremely well in this yahoo, so what am I seeing anyone else seeing this,

seeing this for almost 2 hours,

Before that it was google results here,

[lingerboy]

I saw it too. I also clicked on the cache for one of the pages and saw the word BETA in the header. Looks to me like Yahoo has been busy building a Google-like database. The results did not look like Google, Ink, FAST, AV or any combo. I also did a site: search on a few very large sites. I noticed that in some cases Yahoo showed tens of thousands more pages than Google has ever indexed for these sites.

Its gone now.

My conclusion is that Yahoo has an ace up their sleeve. A top secret database that they have been quietly building. Get ready, it's all about to change.

[qwerty]

It looks like Slurp's been renamed. I saw this in my logs from last night:

compatible;+Yahoo!+Slurp;+http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp

[lingerboy]

New spider name...probebly to draw the distinction between the new Yahoo database and the old Inktomi database. Maybe they will continue to use Ink as PFI and all non-PFI spidered data will go into the new Yahoo database. That makes sense to me. Having the databases seperate allows them to distribute the PFI listings without giving away the new Yahoo database.

[powerofeyes]

Its gone now.

Same here its gone here too, These results doesnt look like slurp at all, One particular client page which is not ranking in top 500 in any of the search engines was ranking No.2 when Yahoo results were displayed, I checked hotbot that page was not in anyway near the top, Not even displayed in the results but in Yahoo it was No.2 , So it seems to be a completely different algorithm, We have to see when it comes live,
But I am sure it is using raw data from its own search engines got to see how it comes about,
But that algorithm looks to be a direct competitor with google, so I think a real challenge for google,


waiting to see it fully live,

[lingerboy]

>But I am sure it is using raw data from its own search engines

Maybe, but I saw thousands of pages that were not in Ink, FAST, AV or Google....so maybe there is another set of data we don't know about yet.

[darciusrex]

So far I'm liking the yahoo results better than google results too. I don't know what they're using because the same pages are coming up yahoo and google, but the yahoo pages are ranked higher!

[lingerboy]

I am seeing the new Yahoo results again, and the Powered by Google footer is gone!

[powerofeyes]

I am seeing the new Yahoo results again, and the Powered by Google footer is gone!

Same here linger boy, I am seeing it too, It is really nice to play in it with some phrases,
By the way where are you from, we both are seeing the same results wonder where you are from,

[lingerboy]

>we both are seeing the same results wonder where you are from

Boston, MA USA....a long way from India.

I hope that the new Yahoo spiders like crazy and strives to include more pages than Google. Based on recent statements by Bill Gates concerning how they will compete with Google, it seems to me that MSN will try to include more than Google.

[MakeMeTop]

I closely monitor logs across 100s of sites. I have to, that's how I get paid. I can assure you that no new spider has constructed this DB in Yahoo. It is from data they have collected from their existing crawlers.

There is no geo-targeting, so the results will be totally different from Hotbot or MSN. There seems to be a weighting for sites in the Yahoo directory, sites that have "authority" in the old Inktomi Best-of-Web sense and other factors that seem to relate to aggregate positions in the 3 Yahoo engines (there is still a lot of testing to do at my end). Nearly all my sites have done PFI in INK and ATW, all are in Yahoo's directory and nearly all are linked to by sites INK's old BOW index would have thought of as "authority" sites. These tweaks make this very different to the Pure Inktomi search too.

All my PFI sites and feed URLs are included complete with Inktomi tracking codes. So, it is INK but with other factors making up the mix.