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[Sharon & Roy]

Is it advantageous or not to have more than one Backward Link from the same domain?

Hi Forum-Mates,

Since this is our first post here at "Jill's Place" we feel that it is appropriate to say hi to everyone we already know as well as to hi to everyone that we hope to get to know.

So, HELLO Jill (thanks for a great forum), and a big warm HELLO to EVERYONE!

Okay, here are a couple of questions that we'd like to see some discussion about.


1.) Do IDENTICAL links from the SAME domain ALL count for both PageRank (or Link Popularity) and Link Reputation?

For example ...

This one link ...

<a href=http://www.mydomain.com/>My Link Reputation Keyword Phrase #1</a>

... Appears on this page ...

http://www.yourdomai...nded-resources/

... And then this other link ...

<a href=http://www.mydomain.com/>My Link Reputation Keyword Phrase #1</a>

... Appears on this page ...

http://www.yourdomain.com/

... And then yet another link ...

<a href=http://www.mydomain.com/>My Link Reputation Keyword Phrase #1</a>

... Appears on this page ...

http://www.yourdomai...uthors-by-name/




2.) Do DIFFERENT links from the SAME domain ALL count for both PageRank (or Link Popularity) and Link Reputation?

For example ...

This one link ...

<a href=http://www.mydomain.com/>My Link Reputation Keyword Phrase #1</a>

... Appears on this page ...

http://www.yourdomai...nded-resources/

... And then this other link ...

<a href=http://www.mydomain.com/page.html>My Link Reputation Keyword Phrase #2</a>

... Appears on this page ...

http://www.yourdomain.com/

... And then yet another link ...

<a href=http://www.mydomain.com/document.html>My Link Reputation Keyword Phrase #3</a>

... Appears on this page ...

http://www.yourdomai...uthors-by-name/


PLEASE NOTE: We are only showing 3 links but our questions are also meant to include those who have LOTS, (i.e., in the hundreds) of links from the same domain.

Your Friends,

Sharon & Roy

[dimok]

I think that ALL links count. At least when PR is calculated because it calculated for all pages.

So, I belief that "more links better"!

[nickc]

I think that ALL links count. At least when PR is calculated because it calculated for all pages.

So, I belief that "more links better"!

I agree - the more links the better even if they are on the same domain.

Nick

[Debra]

Welcome to the [url=http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?showforum=10]link building forum[/url] Sharon and Roy

In an earlier thread I made the offer to take any link related questions we had to San Jose next week and ask the Google folks directly.

Would you like me to add this one to the list?

[Jill]

Welcome, S&R!

Nice to see you here. What took you so long?

Jill

[qwerty]

I agree - the more links the better even if they are on the same domain.

Just my opinion, but I don't think it matters that numerous links to the same page are coming from the same domain, as long as they're coming from different pages within that domain. Different pages have different PR, and different numbers of outgoing links, so they're all going to count toward building your PR.

I should add, however, that I don't think it's a good idea for a designer to stick a link to their site on every page of a client site. I think that something like that, apart from being kind of pushy, could potentially set off a red flag at the SE and get ignored. But if a number of content pages on a site all have a legitimate reason to link to a particular page, I see nothing wrong with that. Different pages may serve different purposes, but that doesn't mean that there can't be good reasons for those pages to all link to the same one.

If it makes sense for their users, I think it's a win-win situation.

[Bernard]

I have not done any testing, but I would guess:

Q1 - PR - yes, LR - yes
Q2 - PR - yes, LR - yes

I have not read anywhere where Google claimed to discount any links unless they were coming from a FFA or link farm.

I would also add that in terms of driving direct traffic, having multiple links is good. I have several links on some themed portals and see unique traffic coming from each of them.

P.S. Debra, add my vote to include these questions...

[Sharon & Roy]

Welcome to the [url=http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?showforum=10]link building forum[/url] Sharon and Roy 

Hi Debra,

Thank you for the welcome!

In an earlier thread I made the offer to take any link related questions we had to San Jose next week and ask the Google folks directly.

Would you like me to add this one to the list?

Oh, absolutely, yes please!

That will be wonderful.

And while, you're building a list of questions, if you don't already have this one on your list, we'd sure appreciate you adding this question to the list.


Does Google give the SAME amount of "ranking consideration" for the query ...

search engines

... For the following 2 links' link text?


Senario 1.) The following link found on a Web Page with 10 links and a PageRank of 2 ...

<a href=http://www.domain.com/>Search Engines</a>


Senario 2.) The following link found on a Web Page with 10 links and a PageRank of 6 ...

<a href=http://www.domain.com/>Search Engines</a>


While we fully understand that the amount of PageRank "points" (or ranking consideration) that passes through the links for each of the above scenarios is DIFFERENT, we would like to understand if the amount of Keyword "points" (or ranking consideration) for the keyword phrase ... search engines ... passes the SAME amount of points through the links for each of the above scenarios?

In other words, if all else is equal for the above two scenarios, theoretically, will one outrank the other or should they rank equally in the SERP (Search Engine Results Pages) for the query ... search engines?

Thank you, Debra, and it is a pleasure to make your acquaintance!

Your Friends,

Sharon & Roy

[Sharon & Roy]

Welcome, S&R!

Nice to see you here.  What took you so long?

Hi Jill,

Thank you!

We guess the appropriate keywords to answer you with are ... time constraints!

Had ...

Create our profile and say hi on Ms. Jill's new forum.

... On our "TO DO LIST" and finally had the opportunity to do so.

Jill, we were wondering IF you'd ever decide to start your own SEO forum, and now we can scratch that one from our Virtual To Do List. <WINK>

2003 sure is the "Year Of The Forum" as we have seen so many forums pop up this year and deciding where to post and when to post is no longer a "No Brainer," as it actually requires some real thought, now! Hehehe!

Jill, we wish you all the best with the progress of your forum and we already know that you possess all the attributes to make it a big success and so we're quite sure that it will be.

And in closing, Jill, we'll turn your question around and ask you the same thing.

What took YOU so long? (To finally start your own forum, that is.)

Your Friends,

Sharon & Roy

[Jill]

I'll be really surprised if Debra can get anyone at Google to answer those questions...at least with a straight answer. Of course, Debra does have her ways...so we shall see!

And thanks, S&R, glad you can cross that one off your list.

As to what took me so long? I guess the thought of all the work it would take never really seemed like something I'd want to tackle! But that was before I knew I could count on my right hand Scottie to help keep things running smoothly.

Jill

[Sharon & Roy]

1.) Do IDENTICAL links from the SAME domain ALL count for both PageRank (or Link Popularity) and Link Reputation?

Let's say that the answer to the above question is ... YES.

1.) Is it "right" for a Web designer to acquire additional ranking consideration for the keyword phrase ...

web designer

... From a client's domain for EVERY one of their 1000 Web Pages over the Web designer who only links back from their client's Home Page (of which also has 1000 Web Pages)?


a.) If you were the deciding voice for a search engine, would you vote for ALL 1000 Backward Links from the SAME domain to count for Link Reputation points (let's forget about the PageRank points at this time and just concentrate on Link Reputation) or not?

b.) If you were the deciding voice for a search engine, would you vote for ALL 1000 Backward Links from the SAME domain to count for PageRank points or not? In other words, would you vote that this "technique" should be considered Spam, since it is really more of an attempt by the Web designer to "Artificially Inflate" their own PageRank points by placing a link back to their own Home Page on every one of their client's 1000 Web Pages than anything else?


Your Friends,

Sharon & Roy

[Bernard]

S&R,

1.) If the website owner wishes to vote 1000 times for their designer, that is their perogative. I personnally find that dimishes the branding of the site owner and would never allow it on my corporate/business site. I think it speaks poorly for the designer as well when I see them advertising on every page of their client's site.

That said, I think that, yes, it is OK for the 1000 votes (links) to count more than the 1.

a.) No. I'd think that the benefit of link reputation should be clear from the first instance from a given domain.

b.) Yes. There are many instances where portal sites are legitimately voting/linking for a site for different reasons from different pages and I don't see how you could algorithmically differentiate the "non-legitimate" cases from the rest.

[Jill]

I kinda think that they're adjusting this sort of thing all the time, so I'm not sure if there really is a set answer for it. It might be one thing now, but tomorrow something else.

The way they count links seems to be one of the things in the algorithm that really does change a lot.

Which is why I'd be suprised if Google had an answer to give. They probably don't even know what they're doing with the links at any given day either!

Jill