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[chrishirst]

seeing as no one picked this up

Oh and is there a reason why the links from G! adsense don't have the rel='no follow' attribute on them? after all they are paid advertisments.

It's because they are written to the page using javascript and bots don't trigger javascript.

[1dmf]

If you don't want to give someone links (no you 1dmf, the collective you), then don't give them links. Don't go ahead and give them one but nofollow it. To me, it's sort of hypocritical!

Ahh but I thought the point of a link was nothing to do with PR (a vote) it was about offering your visitors additional , related resourses and for the site you link to about giving them additional visitor streams. http://www.highranki...h...st&p=275917

and if there is a potential for a link on my site to cause me more harm than any good (or PR juice) i might be giving to the site I linked to, well , better to be safe than sorry!

It's because they are written to the page using javascript and bots don't trigger javascript.

I see, is this true for all bots? and will this always be true.

it's easy enough for me to write a scraping tool in perl with the WWW::Mechanize module and emulate IE, but i'm stabbing in the dark as to whether that triggers / runs JS, hmmm maybe i should do a test when I get 5mins, unless you already know the answer.

i still think even though it's JS triggered, when viewing the source of a page with G! adsense adverts you see the final anchors and I would have expected out of decency G! would have led by example on the 'nofollow' guidelines.

[Randy]

I see, is this true for all bots?

Yes.

and will this always be true.

Nobody can answer this question. My guess is that they'll never routinely parse javascript, but will sometimes to look for something shady going on that would otherwise not be automatically detected.

At one point the bots didn't execute javascript because they were very simple construction. Today they could easily execute JS, but there are other reasons they don't. Many of those reasons having to do with the fact that over the last decade or so it has been safe to use JS to keep spiders out of places they shouldn't be. The same goes with <form> submission. Could they do that now? Sure. But if the bots started doing that they'd cause all sorts of problems and issues since every shopping cart out there using forms to add items to a persons cart.

i still think even though it's JS triggered, when viewing the source of a page with G! adsense adverts you see the final anchors and I would have expected out of decency G! would have led by example on the 'nofollow' guidelines.

You would think wrong then.

Google is a very large company these days. That said it has always been the case that neither the Adsense nor Adwords groups talk to the Organic SERPs or Spam groups. Always been that way and always will, because to do otherwise would open them up to some serious reprecussions from gov't entities.

and if there is a potential for a link on my site to cause me more harm than any good (or PR juice) i might be giving to the site I linked to, well , better to be safe than sorry!

Where in the world did you get the idea that a link to a quality site that offers your visitors real value would or could cause you harm?

Do you seriously believe that sending a bit of PR off to a quality site is going to hurt yours? If so, you're mistaken.

[1dmf]

Do you seriously believe that sending a bit of PR off to a quality site is going to hurt yours? If so, you're mistaken.

?really I thought who you linked to did harm your site if G! considers it a 'bad neighbourhood' , has this changed then?

because only G! knows how they view a site, it might look perfectly ok to me, doesn't mean G! don't think it's a bad neighbourhood.

And because you can't trust G!, i'm not taking any chances, i'm not playing the PR game, so I use 'nofollow' on everything now.

infact i'm so fed up with the whole G! , PR , advertising , affiliate, adsense blah blah ... i've given up on my shopping site I was developing, (you know the one Randy ). this whole fiasco, along with facebook , youtube, iPhone has made me loose complete interest in the internet.

I felt all my shopping site would be is adding to the website spam and putting money in G!'s pocket from adsense, and why the hell would i want to do that!

I need a new hobby, any ideas anyone?

[madams]

How about Anger Management!

[1dmf]

You could be on to something there!

Though i think it's more being so god damn tired all the time lately from working so hard and having such a high pressured job.

Frustration is another factor, sometimes at others, sometimes at myself.

Plus being ripped off & missled by certain SE's doesn't help (not mentioning any names!).

I do feel like jacking it all in at times, (which for my personal sites I already have!) even the missus has given up with her web designing, alot of work for little gain.

Maybe I just need a holiday!

[Kejsaren]

Do you seriously believe that sending a bit of PR off to a quality site is going to hurt yours? If so, you're mistaken.

But couldn´t sending a bit of PR to a lot of quality sites (i.e. in total a lot of PR) do it?

And what is to be counted as a quality site - one that is of value (containing more info on the subject matter) to my visitors, I presume?

[Randy]

I thought who you linked to did harm your site if G! considers it a 'bad neighbourhood' , has this changed then?

No, this hasn't changed.

But quality sites aren't going to be bad neighborhoods.

But couldn´t sending a bit of PR to a lot of quality sites (i.e. in total a lot of PR) do it?

Welcome Kejsaren !

No. You don't own PR and it's a fruitless exercise to attempt to hoard it. It's given to you freely and should be given freely to other sites you like and find valuable.

Contrary to what's assumed in your question, many believe that linking out to other authority sites can actually help your site by giving the engines a signal that your site should also be given a level of trust and authority because you've made good choices in who you've chosen to link to. There is some sense in this logic, though it's impossible to prove or disprove without being able to see how real pr flows, what trust/authority level a site has and how this is shared.

[Kejsaren]

No. You don't own PR and it's a fruitless exercise to attempt to hoard it. It's given to you freely and should be given freely to other sites you like and find valuable.

Well, but if PR is something valuable, maybe at least I should try to keep it, to some extent, on my own site/s, i.e. link more to my own sites and/or pages on my own site, and less to external sites?
I don´t mean giving up outbound linking completely of course, but not waste PR to others.

[1dmf]

lol - I understand your logic completely!

If it's so valuable why give it away to someone else?

But that's just not in the spirit of the community, because community thinks your in business to win friends and influence people, not make money for some reason!

Oh, another thing our Marketing guru likes to repeadedly tell us, if you give it away Free, people believe it has no value! which is why you NEVER give your services or products away free.

True or not , i cannot say, i'm not the marketing guru!

Edited by 1dmf, 01 April 2008 - 10:12 AM.

[Jill]

Well, but if PR is something valuable, maybe at least I should try to keep it, to some extent, on my own site/s, i.e. link more to my own sites and/or pages on my own site, and less to external sites?
I don´t mean giving up outbound linking completely of course, but not waste PR to others.

No no no no no no no!

Man. When did the entire world become so selfish?

[1dmf]

Man. When did the entire world become so selfish?

err Jill it always has been, maybe that's why I don't understand you, you're on another planet

[Kejsaren]

Jill, that isn´t an argument, it´s not informative at all.
Could you elaborate on the "no"-part?
Thanks.

[Jill]

Could you elaborate on the "no"-part?

No I can't. I am too disheartened.

Or maybe just too naive.

[incrediblehelp]

Just like was stated above. PR is not tangible. You cant own it, hold it, control it. So the whole concept of funneling is not logical.