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[Freshie]

Hi got two questions on link building:

When my website was just a few months old but already with most of the content, I tried submitting my site to a number of free directories and a couple came back to me to say they can’t add it because I have to have at least PR2. Then they start talking about their paid listing. When searching for free directories therefore, do you need to consider their Page Rank as well?

I also submitted to dmoz.org way back but never got to their site. Does it normally take that long? Or again because of my page ranking?

Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks as always.

[qwerty]

That's just silly of them. Toolbar PR is just about meaningless. If a site displays no PR at all, that's a good reason to be extra careful in checking them out to make sure they're not under a penalty, but that's about all it's good for. If these directories won't list you unless they see a PR of 2 or more, don't bother with them. They clearly don't understand what value (almost none) the toolbar has, and if they can't determine whether a site is valuable without checking its TBPR, they're not worth your trouble.

I can't imagine DMOZ caring about PR, but I suppose it's possible you could have gotten stuck with an editor who's taking shortcuts in evaluating sites. I think that's unlikely though, and it would be very unfortunate. It can take a very long time to get into the ODP -- sometimes years. A lot of people recommend submitting and just forgetting about it, but I figure it only takes a minute to pop in every month or two to check, just to satisfy your curiosity.

[don h]

Hi got two questions on link building:

When my website was just a few months old but already with most of the content, I tried submitting my site to a number of free directories and a couple came back to me to say they can't add it because I have to have at least PR2. Then they start talking about their paid listing. When searching for free directories therefore, do you need to consider their Page Rank as well?

I also submitted to dmoz.org way back but never got to their site. Does it normally take that long? Or again because of my page ranking?

Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks as always.

I would completely forget about dmoz and focus on other ways to promote your site. If you get good quality links from related sites and your site adds value to the web then dmoz will probably eventually add you naturally.

As far as my understanding goes based on what I've heard from dmoz editors, editors rarely accept sites from the site suggestion pool, so they view it as a poor resource and rarely tap it. It depends on the editor, but it makes sense, since editors are supposed to be knowledgable of the category, they already know where to find the good sites, or already know of most of them.

[thesitebox_guy]

Did you check to see if the category that you were trying to get your domz listing in had an editor? many categories in domz do not have editors look at the bottom of the category to see if there is an editor.

If you do not get a listing after about 6 weeks pop the editor a friendly email.

If that does not work re submit to another category again making sure there is an editor.

It took me about 5 attempts to get listed but persistence paid off in the end.

[Freshie]

As far as my understanding goes based on what I've heard from dmoz editors, editors rarely accept sites from the site suggestion pool, so they view it as a poor resource and rarely tap it. It depends on the editor, but it makes sense, since editors are supposed to be knowledgable of the category, they already know where to find the good sites, or already know of most of them.

But checking the category that am interested in at dmoz, saw a couple of links to sites/companies that are not even in business anymore so their sites are no longer relevant. But yes, I supposed am better off trying other ways to promote my site.

Thanks qwerty and don h. Much appreciated.

[qwerty]

But checking the category that am interested in at dmoz, saw a couple of links to sites/companies that are not even in business anymore so their sites are no longer relevant.

That's a good reason to contact the editor. In my experience, they don't like people asking about the status of their submission (they used to have a section just about that in their forum, and they shut it down), but if you can provide them with some helpful information.... (I don't think we have a brown-noser emoticon, but you get the idea).

[Freshie]

Did you check to see if the category that you were trying to get your domz listing in had an editor? many categories in domz do not have editors look at the bottom of the category to see if there is an editor.

thesitebox_guy, the category am interested in is actually looking for a volunteer to edit it so as you said, that probably explains it.

anyway, thanks to all your replies.

[Freshie]

That's a good reason to contact the editor. In my experience, they don't like people asking about the status of their submission (they used to have a section just about that in their forum, and they shut it down), but if you can provide them with some helpful information.... (I don't think we have a brown-noser emoticon, but you get the idea).

Qwerty, just been over to the dmoz forum browsing through the posts first to check how I can contact editors but I felt a bit "intimidated" with how the discussions are going on in there. Understandably, web owners are frustrated waiting - one even waited 4 years! (caught up in a server crash then apparently) and the editors just cant be bothered. They said coz they are just volunteers so they will review if and when they want it. A moderator even said "move on with more important things than waiting on a listing that may or may not be forthcoming." So ... not really encouraging.

Anyway, just thought others would be interested to know. I supposed we just continue listing with other directories eh?

[Jill]

A moderator even said "move on with more important things than waiting on a listing that may or may not be forthcoming.

Which is great advice. Move on.

[crazyoval]

HI guys, this is my first posting here but I felt I needed to add my own opinion to this thread. IMO A directory that can not keep up with the innovations of the Internet does not reflect the Internet therefore is of no use to anyone.

Sure, a lot of new sites that want to become known don't add much in terms of unique content to the Internet but since the guys at DMOZ aren't able to cope with differentiating what is and what isn't a valuable contribution to the Internet because they aren't able in many categories to keep up with the influx of submissions, I don't see why any respectable search Engine would take any notice of DMOZ.

Afterall, SE's like Google will make up their own mind whether a site has enough unique content to be viewed as valuable (and of course Im only referring to unique content as one parameter because that's one of the points DMOZ makes for choosing a site or not.

Anyway, Im happy to be proven wrong, not being an expert, but one who has tried to submit sites with unique content that add value to my niches where the highest ranking sites (a lot of them) have not been touched for years would you believe.

As far as Im concerned I go further than just moving on from DMOZ, forget DMOZ, it is obsolete and has no value to the Internet.

[Scottie]

Welcome crazyoval!

There's no point focusing on a DMOZ listing. You submit and move on.

[crazyoval]

HI Scottie, thanks for the welcome

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