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[gimlak]

Hello,

I have great problem with google. Befor Gladys Update three of my sites where at places 1-5 as a results of search for keywords "hotele warszawa", "hotele krakow" and so on.

Now, after Gladys, I can't find it in first 20 pages of search results for these keywords.

But what is funny and strange - when I add to these two words third word - like "hotele warszawa orbis" or any word that is on my site - suddenly I'm in first 3 of search results. It wouldn't be strange if my site was the only which has those third word. No, sites that are on first page of results for "hotele warszawa" has ALSO third keyword ("hotele warszawa orbis") but are much lower than my site for this search. Isn't it wired?

edit : I forgot to say tha those third word can by anything - it can be even "w" (polish "in") or "z" (polish "from").

Of course I'd like to be placed at top 5 for two keyword search, not three. I'd like it to be like it was before Gladys. How to do it?

It looks that my site was banned for few keywords, becasuse for others - results are great! Is it possible?

I don't use any spam methods on my site.

And sorry for my english again.

Edited by gimlak, 03 February 2004 - 03:09 AM.

[Irony]

I experience the same queer thing. My site is #7 for 'corporate sites' but it is nowhere to be found for 'corporate web sites'.

I'm sure we could not be banned for any word yet, as I have had no chance to optimize this site properly. By now, I'm just starting my keyword research, so there can be no talking of 'over-optimized pages' or so.

Algo tweaking, I suppose. Let's see what happens when the major shake-up is over.

[Jill]

It's not a banning, or a penalty. Google has changed the way the rank sites. You'll either have to change your site to better fit that, or wait until Google fixes their relevancy.

Jill

[Randy]

Welcome Gimlak!

I'm not sure anyone can say they completely understand what's been going on with Google since mid-November. Including those at Googleplex.

That said, it's my opinion that the latest (Gladys) update is simply an extension of the previous Florida update. Mainly extending it to more sites/markets. There are a couple of fairly long threads down in the Search Engine News category you may want to check out Plenty of information and observations there.

For my part, I'm not making any major changes to any of my sites for the sake of Google. I am adding stuff constantly as normal, and some of the pages I'm adding are designed specifically to test different theories. But I'm not about to chop up a site to get a decent ranking on Google when it's already ranking quite well, thank you very much, on every other search engine known to man. To do that is lunacy IMO, especially considering it's obvious that Google isn't done tweaking the new algo formula yet.

[Grumpus]

The more general the search term, the less effective all of these spiffy new technologies are by their very nature. At this point, we're seeing lots of "false positives" on general terms, but there has been marked improvement in this area over Florida's results. It looks to me like they are on the right track, but it's still going to take a while to get there.

G.

[gimlak]

Thanks everyone for your answers. I've decided to wait and see what will happen in next few weeks. Of course I will be adding new content to my site. It's the best thing I can do now

[ephricon]

It's not a banning, or a penalty. Google has changed the way the rank sites. You'll either have to change your site to better fit that, or wait until Google fixes their relevancy.

Jill

by fixing their relevancy do you mean manual adjustments that may take months and months or just allowing it to settle it?

[Jill]

by fixing their relevancy do you mean manual adjustments that may take months and months or just allowing it to settle it?

I truly have no idea.

My guess is either they like it the way it is (weird), or they just haven't figured out how to get it the way they want it.

Depends on how bad the people at Google think it is, as to how fast they'll "fix" it.

Could be just a settling over the next few weeks, or could be months, or could be never.

Just remember if it's months, and if the average surfer notices that it's harder to find things, then the time is ripe for a new world leader search engine.

Who's up for the task? This is your chance search engine owners. The current crop of major commercial engines are obviously not up to it, that's for sure!

Jill

[ephricon]

oh please dont let it be that long! I had many top 5 results and now many of them are going up and down between 20 and 60!!! ahhhh. i can't afford months of this!

help!!!





(wimper)

[Jill]

Please don't tell me that you have been depending on free google listings for your livelihood!

It's time to branch out if so...was time long ago...in fact!

[thx1138]

Just remember if it's months, and if the average surfer notices that it's harder to find things, then the time is ripe for a new world leader search engine.

Could things be any easier for Microsoft and world dominance?

[Jill]

Since MS doesn't plan to have their new engine released until ages from now (something like 2006) I don't think we need to worry about their world dominance, for quite some time.

Of course, 2006 is probably how long it will take for people to realize Google sucks, so you never know...

Jill

[qwerty]

2006? Is that right? I've read that Longhorn won't come around until then, and I know there's supposed to be some vital connection between the OS and some search facility, but I didn't realize that MS' search engine wasn't going to come out until then.

They've got a beta site for the new MSN search already at http://beta.search.msn.com/

[ephricon]

Please don't tell me that you have been depending on free google listings for your livelihood!

It's time to branch out if so...was time long ago...in fact!

Well not exclusively...

I'm just starting my business and do a little of everything (design, seo, programming, etc.). For SEO i've found that if I focus on Google, rankings in the other engines follow....

The search engines have been a nice contributor to the number of leads I receive though, so its certainly a sad day if I have to do a major overhaul...

[torka]

If you've been doing The Right Thing in general (ie. writing solid customer-friendly and appropriately keyphrase-rich content, getting good relevant inbound links, designing a logical site structure with easily followed navigation, etc.) then why would you have to do a major overhaul simply because ONE search engine is broken?

For my business site, we're a little hard to find on Google right now, even with searches that are delimited by our (very small) geographical area. On the other hand, we've still got #1 or #2 (or both!) rankings for most all of our chosen terms on many other major SEs (like MSN and Yahoo, for instance).

The Google results are clearly broken at the moment. Stop worrying about Google and just concentrate on maintaining Best Practices and you'll be in excellent shape if/when Google fixes things (or the Next Big Thing in Search comes down the pike, either one).



--Torka