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[Beny Dar]

Hello to all forum members,

My name is beny dar and I have a question about promoting my website.

I'm new at the seo world and I'm trying all methods, one after other to promote my website.

The first one I'm trying in order to create real traffic is buying one way links to my website (which as much as I know will also increase my future pagerank).

I searched for a website that will allow me to automatic put links to my website at a reasonable price (because all the free ones are low quality) , and I found this website <link/site removed> which seems to be ok for me - because as I readed it allow me to buy links on high pagerank pages immediatly, but I wanted to know if anyone used this website? and what you generally think about buying links from webpages ?

Thank you all,
Beny Dar.

Edited by Randy, 04 January 2008 - 12:44 PM.

[Randy]

Welcome Beny Dar !

Sorry, but I had to remove the link and references to the site you're question is specifically about. It's against the [url=http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules]Forum Rules[/url].

That said...

The first one I'm trying in order to create real traffic is buying one way links to my website (which as much as I know will also increase my future pagerank).

It won't. Google has started a campaign to devalue paid links. There's more on this subject here

When buying links it's important to value them just as you would any other paid advertisement. Meaning they need to provide you with enough value in conversions to pay for themselves, otherwise you're wasting part of your advertising budget.

Second, anything you do with respect to SEO or link building that's "automated" probably isn't going to do you much good. It's just not that easy. If it were, everyone would be doing it!

[Jill]

The first one I'm trying in order to create real traffic is buying one way links to my website (which as much as I know will also increase my future pagerank).

Only for as long as you're paying for it, and only for as long as Google believes it's not paid for, and only if it's not using the nofollow link attribute.

[Beny Dar]

I asked <site removed ... again> about this issue, and they emailed be that they currently removed their links from all of their's publishers websites so google will not connect them to these bought links and therefor nobody can know that these links bought by them because there is no sign to their name.

Is this correct or just some invention tey made?

Edited by Randy, 07 January 2008 - 12:24 PM.

[Randy]

Let us view this from a different perspective.

Is it possible for Google to be 100% accurate in sorting out when a link is Paid or Not Paid? No, obviously it's not. That's why they are encouraging webmasters to label these paid links for them so strongly.

That said, twice now you've made very public reference to the folks who say they're hiding from Google the fact that they're producing paid links. Do you think there's any chance a Google representative may be running through one of the more popular forums regarding SEO and the Search Engines? Do you really think they wouldn't have someone scoping out what's being said in lots of places, big and small?

So, in this very narrow case it wouldn't really matter what the site in question had or hadn't done to keep Google from knowing that they're trying to fool them into thinking paid links are not paid. All a Googler would have had to do is read a post from you or by another person who like you asked a question and referenced the site in question. They'd be on to their game in a heartbeat. The only thing that's saving them at this point is that I've removed your reference to their site ...twice. But because other forums/blogs/sites/whatever have rules that allow that kind of name dropping you can safely assume that if Google doesn't know already they will soon.

[nethy]

To add to what Randy said, the problem is basically this:

Some seriously cluey clues existed for establishing which sites sell links. Finding these could be automated. It was & they were found. Then came slightly sneakier link sellers (possibly like the one you are considering) that may not leave as many clues behind. But consider this:

Google has revenues of upwards of $12bn directly (in their opinion) from the quality & integraty of their search results. They have identified 'link spam' as a threat to this revenue stream in the long term. How many smart people could they dedicate to eliminating manually theis threat of link sellers? Google has an anti-spam team. I imagine link spam is today their no. 1 priority.

In short, any link seller with a history of being more open about these links they were selling (how many brokers are out there 100? 200? are probably being examined currently). Any link broker with any form of advertising (how did you come accross them?) is opening themselves up to being caught out. Any link seller that doesn't (probably via small, direct to client, SEOs) but ouwon't hear aboutthem. Even then its a short term strategy.

[Randy]

And to add to what Nethy said...

Do you really think with the huge revenue resources Google has at its beck and call they wouldn't divy a little of it out to their employees, who would then set up normal looking sites that cannot be traced back to Google proper? Those employees could then contract with every link seller they can find if Google truly wanted to smoke out link sellers.

Talk about shooting fish in a barrel ! All the link spam team would have to do is review the linking profile of these ghost sites and the linking profile of those sites linking to them. Heck, they could go back as many levels as they felt it necessary to look at to determine all sorts of connections in the linking relationships.

And they could probably do it all for an investment of less than $100,000 annually.

I'm not saying I know they're doing this. But in their shoes I'd do it because it would be a very effective way to spend a little money and get back a ton of really useful information.

[1dmf]

I'd do it because it would be a very effective way to spend a little money

Roll on the days when I can consider $100,000.00 as 'a little money'

[jimb7165]

How will Google know whether or not I bought the links???

[projectphp]

Some back of a cigarette box ideas o find paid links:
1. Find one known paid link, find all sites that link in the same way (same anchor text and link), and voila, paid link sellers found!
2. Find other links on those pages that are also common, disregard.
3. Use a link matrix to see all the pages / sites that form a community with well known links ellers and /or buyers. Disregard said links.

And it is a bit of a non-issue jimb7165, because gogole can count or disregard whatever, and you'll never even know!

[thinkfast]

Some back of a cigarette box ideas o find paid links:
1. Find one known paid link, find all sites that link in the same way (same anchor text and link), and voila, paid link sellers found!
2. Find other links on those pages that are also common, disregard.
3. Use a link matrix to see all the pages / sites that form a community with well known links ellers and /or buyers. Disregard said links.

And it is a bit of a non-issue jimb7165, because gogole can count or disregard whatever, and you'll never even know!

Good Reply

According to me,

Google can know every things related to your site, and generally if you are using paid links to get lots backlinks as soon as possible then keep in mind that your quick procedure can make your site a spammer if your provider sites are not using nofollow tag.

because generally paid links are use to bring traffics only not for quality backlinks according to me.

So try for slow, free and quality backlinks with white hat SEO rule.

[Jill]

How will Google know whether or not I bought the links???

They might not ever know.

But do you do stuff in life that you're not supposed to if you know you won't get caught? Or do you do what you're supposed to simply because it's the right thing to do?

There's tons of SEO stuff you can do to subvert the search engines algorithm where you may never get caught. Doesn't mean you should do them.

It's up to you to decide based on your own values.

[MrCat]

Buy links for traffic reasons and not for PR as you are just risking your site to get penalized SEO wise.