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[Vini]

I'm trying hard...I'm begginer at the SEO Business, But It seems like NOTHING NOTHING and NOTHING really works for more.My site only get worse positions day-by-day and please DON'T TELL ME to read TIPS FOR NEWBIS, because I've read ALL of them, And as it was possible I've done all of them.
I use lots of h1, keywords, metatag, most searched keywords about my topic, keywords on h1 titles, new posts on h1 titles, RSS feed for posts and comments, I do have a Site Map.What Can I do now? I'm terrible desperate!

[Randy]

What Can I do now? I'm terrible desperate!

Pay an SEO professional to work it out for you.

Or read the [url=http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php/topic/833-tips-for-new-seos/]Tips for Newbies[/url] again and also read all of the pinned threads on the forum. It's all there for free. All one needs do is read, assimilate, understand, implement and have reasonable expectations.

[Vini]

I don't know if it makes any difference, But I've read somewhere, That as much times the robots visits your site it's better.Anyway Google for example, Visits my site everyday, And there are days that they go more than once, And others sites that are indexed on my main topic doesn't get a visit for a month for example.Do this help anyway?

And the affiliate thing.
It's something IMPOSSIBLE on my business.Because the big sites do not affiliate with the begginers...And being affiliated with sites that receives less visits than mine is not a good thing...

[torka]

How old is the site? If it's new, there's not much you can do but continue working on it and wait for Google to sort things out.

You mention a lot about on on-page optimization. That's only one part of optimization. What have you done in terms of link building?

Getting links from sites that get fewer visitors than yours isn't necessarily a bad thing if those sites get visitors who are your prospective customers and send at least some of them to you. (And how do you know they get fewer visitors than you do, anyway? )

But the real question on my mind: why are you so desperate? You aren't depending 100% on organic SEO to bring your site traffic, are you? Cuz that's a very bad idea for a number of reasons -- one of which you're experiencing right now, which is that you can't control the search engines' rankings... so by depending on SEO alone you're basing your business on the whims of Google, Yahoo, MSN et.al.

So, aside from optimizing your site for search, what else are you doing to market your business?

--Torka

[Vini]

Torka,

Affiliate thing is IMPOSSIBLE on my business.
Because the big sites do not affiliate with the begginers...And being affiliated with sites that receives less visits than mine is not a good thing...

I've been online since June, 22nd 2005 to be more exactly.
It goes more than 2 years....On The SAME Topic..

My visits aren't so small, But other sites that do THE SAME as I DO, And sometimes WORSE than I gets 20 times more visits and better ranking that I do.

[http://www.DebSpecs.com]

In your brief list of things you did, I do not see mention of what's going between your title tags. I find when i tweak the page title, i get the most immediate results. (within a day or 2)

:)Fala

[Vini]

In your brief list of things you did, I do not see mention of what's going between your title tags. I find when i tweak the page title, i get the most immediate results. (within a day or 2)

:)Fala

The title of my page does include lots the most searched terms about my topic.
And It's very large, Do you think I should make a short one including only the main topic?
Like if I run a website about designs and I want to get ranking when people searches Graphic Designs, And my title is Graphic Designs - Designs + Photoshop + Paid Designs + Templates, etc. You think I should put only Graphic Designs?

[RiYo]

Vini, the title tag should indeed tell the reader / bot what the page is about. The shorter, the more focussed, the better!

richard

[Bri]

Hi Vini,

I'm with Torka on this one. Tweeking may help abit, but you really need to focus on other marketing ideas which will benifit you in more ways than one.

i.e. writing articles on the topics of your business. There is so much you can do with them! You can build a library first off. Then you can put them into a newsletter that you can offer for your visitors to sign up on... may take a while, but before you know it you'll have a pretty decent list. you can submit them to other sites or blogs that are looking for content as well you can post them to article directories where people will just scoop them up. press releases are a great idea as well. news wire may be looking for stuff to include in there papers, so they may do a search query which is relevant to your site and tack on "press release" on the end of the query, this could get more relevant traffic on your pr page, as a business owner, its always a great idea to talk about anything new your business is doing. We happened to be picked up and featured in the NYT and Kansas City Star! Our phone rang off the hook for weeks!!! (you can't purchase editorial... it's gold!) What I'm getting at here is if you expand your marketing campaign (within your own limits, of course) you may see more of a natural rank from the increased popularity of your site all because you take the time to get the word about your products and what your doing more. And you won't be placing your eggs all in one basket.

[http://www.DebSpecs.com]

The title of my page does include lots the most searched terms about my topic.
And It's very large, Do you think I should make a short one including only the main topic?
Like if I run a website about designs and I want to get ranking when people searches Graphic Designs, And my title is Graphic Designs - Designs + Photoshop + Paid Designs + Templates, etc. You think I should put only Graphic Designs?

Is that your <title> exactly? If so, it is good. I wouldn't only put graphic design. It's good as a first word, with a hyphen like you have. But the following words there could be way too general, and therefore competitive. Ie- Instead of photoshop you can use a keyword tool to see how many people type "photoshop touch ups" in the search engines. Maybe less people than "photoshop" but you'd have a better shot at getting listed for that keyword. Instead of "templates", try "web templates".

Also, I don't know the purpose of "etc" in the title tags. Did you do this to explain to potential clients that you offer more? If so, you can simply do this in the heading or text body. Does it have some sort of SEO relavance in the <title> that you've heard? anyone?

I think you're getting great advice from our fellow highrankings members. However, if you don't have a good title tag, all the much greater effort that goes into link building, article submitting, etc. won't have quite the same mileage.

just curious, do you do any pay-per-click?

[Vini]

Is that your <title> exactly? If so, it is good. I wouldn't only put graphic design. It's good as a first word, with a hyphen like you have. But the following words there could be way too general, and therefore competitive. Ie- Instead of photoshop you can use a keyword tool to see how many people type "photoshop touch ups" in the search engines. Maybe less people than "photoshop" but you'd have a better shot at getting listed for that keyword. Instead of "templates", try "web templates".

Also, I don't know the purpose of "etc" in the title tags. Did you do this to explain to potential clients that you offer more? If so, you can simply do this in the heading or text body. Does it have some sort of SEO relavance in the <title> that you've heard? anyone?

I think you're getting great advice from our fellow highrankings members. However, if you don't have a good title tag, all the much greater effort that goes into link building, article submitting, etc. won't have quite the same mileage.

just curious, do you do any pay-per-click?

I've heard about pay-per-click
I just think It's a completely waste of money.
And my site is not about designs, you see...It was an example.
But It's about celebrity business.
So the title would be like: Celebrity Pictures - Celebrity News - Celebrity Pictures - Celebrity Downloads - Celebrity Music Videos
Do you think It would work?

[torka]

Affiliate thing is IMPOSSIBLE on my business.

Sorry, but I'm not buying that. Link building is not impossible, no matter what your business is.

Once you start looking at linking as advertising (which is what it is), it starts to get easier, IMO. Whatever you can do in the offline world in terms of getting publicity, you can find a way of doing online. It just takes some creative thinking.

It's not all about organic SEO -- depending on the SE rankings for even half of your traffic is a dangerous game. Rankings can be here today and gone tomorrow, sometimes for no reason. You want to build solid streams of qualified traffic that don't depend on the SEs.

You do that by getting links from places where those potential customers hang out online.

Again, why is getting links from smaller websites a bad thing? Please explain in more detail why you think this is objectionable, because I honestly don't understand what the problem is (unless these sites are also your competitors, in which case a link from them is probably not the best idea no matter how much traffic they get).

See, if these alleged "low traffic" sites get visitors who are your potential customers, that represents another opportunity to get your site in front of those potential customers. Even if it's just a few customers, a few is better than none -- and in the aggregate and over time, all those low-traffic sites can add up to a lot of traffic.

Besides, low-traffic sites today can be high-traffic sites tomorrow... but by then, getting a link on them might be next to impossible, while you could have gotten a link easily when they were just starting out.

My visits aren't so small, But other sites that do THE SAME as I DO, And sometimes WORSE than I gets 20 times more visits and better ranking that I do.

How do you know they get more visits than you do? Are they sharing their log files with you? Letting you see their analytics reports? Because that's the only way to know how much traffic they get.

And more importantly, no matter how many visitors they're getting -- how many sales are they making? There are plenty of sites out there that get tons of visitors -- nearly all of whom turn around and leave immediately because the site is so crappy.

You don't need #1 rankings or tons of traffic to succeed -- you need a website that does an excellent job of converting the traffic you do get into sales. Improving your conversion rate will often yield better results (with less work) than increasing your rankings or traffic.

My further

--Torka

[http://www.DebSpecs.com]

I agree, Torka. And to add to that, once you get a sale, our non-tech skills (ie-customer service) skills need to be honed so that those conversions come back again and again.

I've heard about pay-per-click
I just think It's a completely waste of money.
And my site is not about designs, you see...It was an example.
But It's about celebrity business.
So the title would be like: Celebrity Pictures - Celebrity News - Celebrity Pictures - Celebrity Downloads - Celebrity Music Videos
Do you think It would work?

To tell you the truth, I don't know enough about your business to advise you whether it would work or not. But do some research- if you type "celebrity pictures" in the search engine, what sites come up? Is it simply pictures posted on the internet that anyone can look at? Or is it people selling celebrity pictures? Also, type it in a keyword tool such as Keyword Discovery to see your competition. If you're selling pictures, you don't want to compete on keywords where people are posting them for free viewing. You may not sell celebrity pictures. You may be a freelance celebrity reported for hire. This would change the appropriate <title> a lot. So do your research, make sure it's relevant, and hone it in.

[BBCoach]

Question Vini. Have you joined celeb related forums and posted links back to your products for the celebs you talk about in the forum? How about a Squidoo page? How about simply asking some related bloggers to review your web site in their blog? What about a MySpace? Not that most of this will get you direct link back juice, but it can give you more visibility for free. More visibility is what you want isn't it? And along the way you just might get some quality link backs. Just a thought. BTW, you're mistaken about PPCs not being worth it. You might wanna do a bit more reading about that before writing it off.

[Vini]

Question Vini. Have you joined celeb related forums and posted links back to your products for the celebs you talk about in the forum? How about a Squidoo page? How about simply asking some related bloggers to review your web site in their blog? What about a MySpace? Not that most of this will get you direct link back juice, but it can give you more visibility for free. More visibility is what you want isn't it? And along the way you just might get some quality link backs. Just a thought. BTW, you're mistaken about PPCs not being worth it. You might wanna do a bit more reading about that before writing it off.

I've created a MySpace, But Do you think have a LiveJournal would help either?