Crap is a noun, a verb and an adjective. Very versatile!!Is 'crap' verb or a noun in fact I think its both
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ImVickieB
, Jan 24 2004 10:27 AM
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 07:48 AM
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 03:16 PM
Peter, I so love it when we're on the same side!What Jill said.
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 03:57 PM
Re. ....search engine that has become a verb...
How about "ask"?
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How about "ask"?
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 09:45 PM
Saywhat? I guess I'll have to AskJeeves FAST so I LookSmart....
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 11:11 PM
Smartass!Saywhat? I guess I'll have to AskJeeves FAST so I LookSmart....
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Is it just me, or is it getting cooler in the evenings...?
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 11:42 AM
I dunno, you guys (Jill & Peter). As Randy (I think it was) said in this thread or another, when Mr Gates launches into search, he'll make a big impact - no two ways about it. It's just a matter of 'when' rather than 'if'.
Anyway, I guess we'll all just have to wait and see...
BrianR
Anyway, I guess we'll all just have to wait and see...
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 05:44 PM
All I can think is that M$ will be too focused on $$$
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 05:48 PM
Could be. But, love him or loathe him, he's certainly got the money and the business sense to make it work, and he'll not be satisfied with anything less than being a major player - if not THE major player - in the search market.
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 05:52 PM
Wouldn't all good businesses be focused on this? I would assume that google is in it for the money too?All I can think is that M$ will be too focused on $$$
could be wrong, but I think the addition of other major serious competition would cause the search results to become more relevant?
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 06:23 PM
Actually, Vickie, no not always.
When you don't focus on the money, and just focus on making something great, then good things (like money) come to you. Or at least the potential for it to come to you is greater.
That is exactly how Google worked. It's how tons of other companies worked.
When you focus all your energy on figuring out how you will make money, you will inevitably make bad decisions. But when your focus is on doing great stuff, great stuff will happen.
Once you get to that point, the skies the limit with how much money you can make. (Until you go public and screw it all up by focusing on money!)
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When you don't focus on the money, and just focus on making something great, then good things (like money) come to you. Or at least the potential for it to come to you is greater.
That is exactly how Google worked. It's how tons of other companies worked.
When you focus all your energy on figuring out how you will make money, you will inevitably make bad decisions. But when your focus is on doing great stuff, great stuff will happen.
Once you get to that point, the skies the limit with how much money you can make. (Until you go public and screw it all up by focusing on money!)
Jill
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 06:29 PM
MS is very focused on money - but they are willing to take a short term loss to make it - IE vs Netscape comes to mind
One thing they always focus on is how to get users to switch to their product. Normally they use a combination of marketshare/user base (ie install the program by default on every machine) and some very aggressive marketing combined with features that make people want to give them a chance.
They also really, really support developers. Not because they are nice, but because a well supported developer makes new products, supports MS to their users, and come up with lots of creative ideas.
I'd expect to see a "search engine" that easily connects to a website or piece of software. You'd have a simple "google-style" interface, but they would hype the ability to use it to create an MSN like portal for your site. I'd also expect to see a lot of API's, search bars, etc.
In short, offer lots of really cool goodies for webmasters and software programmers. Once you fill the room with toys, the children will come...
Oh, and offer good results (obviously)
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One thing they always focus on is how to get users to switch to their product. Normally they use a combination of marketshare/user base (ie install the program by default on every machine) and some very aggressive marketing combined with features that make people want to give them a chance.
They also really, really support developers. Not because they are nice, but because a well supported developer makes new products, supports MS to their users, and come up with lots of creative ideas.
I'd expect to see a "search engine" that easily connects to a website or piece of software. You'd have a simple "google-style" interface, but they would hype the ability to use it to create an MSN like portal for your site. I'd also expect to see a lot of API's, search bars, etc.
In short, offer lots of really cool goodies for webmasters and software programmers. Once you fill the room with toys, the children will come...
Oh, and offer good results (obviously)
Ian
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 06:31 PM
You definitely have a good point here Jill. I can see how in Google's case that could be what's happening. Though, I don't think they will leave things the way they currently are,
With MSN though, in order to compete, Gates will have to do at least as well as google in order to be a contender. Gates seems to be too bent on being the best to allow crap results dominate the SERPS like google is at the moment. He is determined to "one up" google and I bet with his funding, he will find a way to do it and make money doing it.
With MSN though, in order to compete, Gates will have to do at least as well as google in order to be a contender. Gates seems to be too bent on being the best to allow crap results dominate the SERPS like google is at the moment. He is determined to "one up" google and I bet with his funding, he will find a way to do it and make money doing it.
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 07:15 PM
I'll believe it (about MSN) when I see it!
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 07:22 PM
It will be awhile before Gates and Co can compete. If you look at their history, it usually takes them 3 major tries before someone takes them seriously.
Windows didn't do well in 1985, but by the 3rd try (ver 3.11) it was starting to become a player.
Same with NT, SQL-Server, Visual Basic, ...
MSN Search Version 3 is when they'll start to dominate.
Windows didn't do well in 1985, but by the 3rd try (ver 3.11) it was starting to become a player.
Same with NT, SQL-Server, Visual Basic, ...
MSN Search Version 3 is when they'll start to dominate.
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 07:43 PM
since I believe the MSN bot is still less than version 1, they have a LONG time to go yet!
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