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[End2ENd]

I have a question, just need a friendly advice.

I have about 50 pharmacy websites.
Some of the domains are as follows:
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and few more with similar theme.
Should i talk to my lawyer or relax??

[Jill]

You should find a new business. Is that really what you want to be doing? Selling drugs illegally like a common pusher on the street?

[End2ENd]

Jill,

That is 1 of my many businesses.
The reason i entered into it was coz I wanted to start with the toughest competition.
I dont want to do the top two (as per my analysis), as i find them not suitable for my organization.

Pharmacy was the third (again as per my analysis)


I did a lot of research before getting into it.
And I made absolutely sure that I don't get into any illegal stuff.
We work with pharmacies which are legally selling meds, after getting the signed prescription faxed from the customer's doctor.

Thanks

[1dmf]

Another Viagra site , just what the internet needs

[End2ENd]

ok,

I take your point.
I dont want to be alien out here.
Infact 1dmf, I should thank you.
You gave me an idea i never looked into.

I know I would require a lot of help from the forum members out here.
I would require reviews also later on.
So i decided to change my SEO research from Pharma to Mortgage.

Mortgage is also in the top competition. (Again as per my analysis)

And the reason I thanked you 1dmf, check your signatures.
And 1 more thing, it is'nt viagra site.

[Jill]

So i decided to change my SEO research from Pharma to Mortgage.

Not much better!

Is that what you're passionate about? Mortgages and Viagra?

You'll be much smarter to choose a topic you're already familiar with and that you love.

[End2ENd]

Believe me or not, Jill I was expecting this.

The only thing I do and love is my work.
I dont listen to songs or movies, I read books which can help me shape up my future.
I work for about 14 hours a day and then do some study on SEO for another 2-3 hours.
I work till my head starts spinning and i need to sleep or else i fall.
I'm not a person of too many likings or dislikings.

The industry that I belong to has Die hard competition.
Maybe my industry keywords are as competitive as SEO industry. (I mean SEO companies fighting SE wars to prove they are the best).

I cant make a website about celebrities or sports or movies, as i am not passionate about them.

I dont want to touch my industry as of now, coz I represent a big brand in my country.
I want to target global market thru SEO. But you may say, i am too scared to learn, keeping on stake my bread and butter business.

I own a pharma manufacturing unit (a small 1), so I thought Pharma wud be a good idea considering my knowledge and the competition it has.
Then I jumped to Mortgage, as my US company does loan processing and stuff.
Now,
There are few things which are left out.
So, I tried to pick the toughest ones, so as i get maximum competition.
I picked top 10000 searched keywords from wordtracker and most of them cover what I have already analyzed.

Now, i am left with just 1 more idea. Video Games.
Whenever I have to relax, I play Xbox 360, PS2..... I know a thing or two about different games, so thatz what i can also try. Maybe i'm too tired. I'll do the analysis tomorrow.

I'll try to be more innovative while selecting the best of topics, yet the most competitive.

I appreciate all your support.

[Sky]

The one and only time that a keyworded domain name counts for anything with regard to SEO is if people link to pages in the site using the keyworded domain name as the anchor text in the link. Read that several times, let it sink in and you'll have a full grasp on the lone circumstance when keywords in the URL can help.

It's a very, very limited and narrow scope. One that can just as easily be accomplished by using sensible anchor text no matter what is in the Domain Name or URL.

A way to be clear on this is to do 300,000 searches and put them in a database and store the results as rankings 1 - 10.
Then you have a database to query and put such questions to the test.
So you would query " Hey, (Mr. DataBase ).....of all the results you have stored....
Do you find a correlation between "Having the Keyword in the URL" & "The 1-10 results?"
If so then please list the correlation and how many websites you checked.

Q. Does having the keyword in the root of the domain affect ranking?
A. Yes; It increases ranking.
Data: (+92) 252 227 202 193 192 184 165 166

So there is a +92 correlation between the two, with 252(x100) sites at #1 and 166(x100) at #10.

And looking at my list of queries, +92 is one of the strongest correlations that I've found.

So put the primary Keyword in the root of the URL when you get the one chance.
WHY it works is up to the guru's to pretend to know.
For some reason....it works very well.

[chrishirst]

Of course this testing "method" does make the immense assumption that having a keyworded domain name is the ONLY "optimisation" that the site owners have done



Welcome to HR

[1dmf]

hmm interesting Sky, because the ovewhelming opinion here , from the expert SEO's is it doesn't count!

I'm still awaiting google to index my test page before I can confirm either way.

End2End, why on earth do you want to go into building websites for Mortgages, beleive me , it's a cut throat business, with one of the highest keyword competetiveness I have seen.

Also, be aware, I'm in the UK and the indistry is tightly regulated by the Financial Services Authority, if you are not authorised to work in this industry and you get caught, it is a criminal offence and you go to prison! so beware, you've been warned!

Also have you done a google for game cheats, reviews , walkthroughs etc... I play games all the time and the amount of portal, information scraping, duplicate sites out there is staggering, I get sick and tired off the top 100 results in google all being a branded sites that simply points to the same content.

Do you think you have something different and of value to offer as an alternative, or will you just be serving up the same pages provided by one source, which everyone else seems to do?

[Sky]

Of course this testing "method" does make the immense assumption that having a keyworded domain name is the ONLY "optimisation" that the site owners have done
Welcome to HR

No Chris.....just the opposite. The data shows that when you look at all searches there SEEMS to be a connection between the Keyword being in the URL and it not being there. No other factors are ruled out.
For example, the REASON that those sites are ranking higher may be exactly what Randy said....people use the URL to link to a page and then just use the URL as the Anchor text. The most logical reason for Randy's observations is that just copying the URL is not something he or anyone he knows would do. But in the REAL world of people who don't give a rip and just want to get the dumb linking thing done.....it looks like it may be a huge factor.
So if Randy's testing has ruled out Google as causeing this real world result, then the culprit is lazy people who just use the url as the anchor text. Maybe that's why it works.

Any testing with split pages might show no preference from Google. But what if 1/2 of your links are from people who use the URL as anchor text? That effect would be huge. So the process should be to look at all the anchor text for your links and note how many are just the url. Then imagine if those were your keywords instead. For some websites, that number in tiny. For others, that may be a huge boost.

That's why I would never consider myself a guru or an expert. Because I don't know why it works and I'm not going to even care why. I just stick the keyword in the URL when I buy a domain name and move on.

[End2ENd]

End2End, why on earth do you want to go into building websites for Mortgages, beleive me , it's a cut throat business, with one of the highest keyword competetiveness I have seen.

Also, be aware, I'm in the UK and the indistry is tightly regulated by the Financial Services Authority, if you are not authorised to work in this industry and you get caught, it is a criminal offence and you go to prison! so beware, you've been warned!

Also have you done a google for game cheats, reviews , walkthroughs etc... I play games all the time and the amount of portal, information scraping, duplicate sites out there is staggering, I get sick and tired off the top 100 results in google all being a branded sites that simply points to the same content.

Do you think you have something different and of value to offer as an alternative, or will you just be serving up the same pages provided by one source, which everyone else seems to do?

Thanks to all. Atlast I got the point. It has to be UNIQUE. Bingo
But if it is unique, how would it be competitive.

BTW, we are licensed in US, not UK and i was planning US.
Thanks again.

Thanks 1dmf.

[torka]

As Chris noted, if the only thing the owners of those pages had done to optimize their pages was to include the keyword in their domain, your analysis would be useful. As it is, though, I'm afraid it doesn't prove your point at all.

If somebody's going to go through the trouble of finding and registering a keyworded domain, they're almost certainly going to use those keywords in their on-page copy, work them in to their site navigation and try to get outside links pointing to them with those keywords in the anchor text. (All of which are things that we know will lead to higher rankings.)

Maybe I missed it , but I don't see where you've attempted to separate out the effect of this other (real) optimization from your theorized effect of the keyword in the domain.

In other words, while you claim a connection, "connection" is not the same as "causation."

While some pages that rank well for your selected query phrases have the appropriate keyword(s) in their domain, you cannot prove the keyword domain caused the high ranking. In fact, it's even possible that the pages with keyword domains do well on the strength of their other optimization — in spite of the keyword domain, not because of it.

Without separating out the effects of the other optimization, one simply cannot draw any conclusion at all on the effect of keyword domains on ranking.

--Torka

[adybee]

That's why I would never consider myself a guru or an expert. Because I don't know why it works and I'm not going to even care why. I just stick the keyword in the URL when I buy a domain name and move on.

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These guys did the same Sky and they made it to #10 in the UK. personally I think it may work somewhat on a geographical level using the location in the url but I wouldn't waste a lot of time testing keyword domains - I'd spend time optimising the site with good content.

[Randy]

Interesting testing method there Sky. Flawed, but interesting.

Reminds me of something I heard on the radio today while I was toodling around running some errands. The story was that some researcher had released data that said african american women who felt they had been victims of discrimination were twice as likely to develop breast cancer as african american women who didn't feel they had been discriminated against.

Some (incredibly silly) professor tried to use of this data to imply causation. If he's right of course we're all going to have to stop feeling, since his theory can easily be extrapolated to say the study proves that feeling something obviously leads to a higher risk of all types of cancer.

For myself I think I'll continue having feelings, because it's pretty obvious to me Mr. Silly Professor failed his statistical analysis courses that should have taught him how important it is to link Cause to Effect. Plus, being an unfeeling zombie would be pretty boring.