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[kevs]

I just joined Business.com, and want to ask. the page I'm on is nine levels in and has no page rank. Does't that sort of defeat the purpose of helping with google and ranking somewhat?

5 & 6 levels in has a PR of 3.

4 levels in has a 4.

Don't I want the one with best PR? Isn't that part of what I'm paying for? thanks.

[Jill]

You may want to read the other posts here about PR...

[qwerty]

It's about the directory's authority, it's about the deep links it offers, and it's about the prospect of direct traffic.

[projectphp]

Does't that sort of defeat the purpose of helping with google and ranking somewhat?

Yes.

[kevs]

Bob: direct traffic is a another issue, 1 job of course from direct traffice pays for ad....

but I'm really wondering if I should move it to a better PR page than the 0 one I've started on.

Projecthph: you say Yes --please expand if you can. thanks.

[projectphp]

Why? You seemed to already have done the work yourself.

Tell you what, why don't you tell me your reasons for your thought process, and I'll tell you were / when / if you go wrong

[kevs]

It's about the directory's authority, it's about the deep links it offers, and it's about the prospect of direct traffic.

Let me try with you Bob:
Does the deep page with a zero PR, provide the same boost in Google than the page 3 steps closer to HP, with the 3 PR, or maybe nobody knows.

and then there is the trade off as you said about as you go closer to HP, your section is less relevant. But still, to pay $200 month and be on a page with PR 0,....

[qwerty]

For one thing, we don't really know what the PR of either of those pages is. If the toolbar says one is zero and the other is 3, then maybe we can say that the second has a higher PR than the first, but I wouldn't trust the toolbar for much of anything. As far as I'm concerned, if the page is indexed, or even if there's nothing to stop the page from being indexed, it's ok.

I'm not sure what you mean by "HP". Can you clarify that? You want to be on a page that accurately reflects what your site is about. Being higher up in the structure of the directory won't help you if the page is about something far more general than your site. If you sell currency from Germany's Weimar period, it's just not going to help much to have your listing under "Business".

Finally, I hope you meant $200 a year. If they've raised their rates to $200 a month I'm probably going to stop recommending them.

[kevs]

Thanks Bob:
It's Still $200 yr. HP is homepage, I'll stop abbreviating that.

The page most relevant has PR 0 -- Graphic artists San Diego. So it most specific.

But two levels up with PR of 3 is just GRaphic Artist. more broad.

So that the trade off. I was leaning to getting into the PR3, cause honestly, that's why I joined. I don't expect to get business from business.com; I hardly get any from Yahoo in 10 years.

But I desperatly need more great links to rank generally better in Google. What's your take? that's the nut of this post

Further to the point:

Don't I want as many links to me from pages with higher PR? or the PR does not matter? ie Google "sees" the link is from Business.com and blesses you same regardless or a zero or 6, or no one really knows?

[projectphp]

What you want and what you can get are two different things.

You need to look at what you can acheive, and where it is best to spend your energies. Trying to get a better PR link is a waste of time if you can't get it. Better to chase links you can reasonably get.

[kevs]

Project, that's great general bland advice, but you are not answering my question in any way.

Let me try again:

If I'm have a listing on a good directory like business.com, and other good directories, should I worry about the PR of the page I'm on, or does Google just "see" that I have a link with this respected directory and the inner page i"m on does not matter(as far as ranking benefit) . this is what i need to know. thanks!

[Scottie]

It's still a good link, yes.

[Jill]

If I'm have a listing on a good directory like business.com, and other good directories, should I worry about the PR of the page I'm on

Since we've stated on this forum at least 500 times that toolbar PR is meaningless, the answer should be fairly obvious, no?

Please do some searches here as this has been discussed numerous times.

[torka]

If I'm have a listing on a good directory like business.com, and other good directories, should I worry about the PR of the page I'm on, or does Google just "see" that I have a link with this respected directory and the inner page i"m on does not matter(as far as ranking benefit) . this is what i need to know. thanks!

All that assumes that Google "counts" those links in the first place. They may (because it's a respected directory) and they may not (because they could be considered paid links). While we usually seem to assume the links count, we don't have any way of knowing for sure if Google (or any other SE, for that matter) is actually allowing that directory to pass link popularity or not.

And even if it is today, there's no guarantee it will do so tomorrow. Google can (and often does) change anything about their algo any time they want. Same for the other SEs and whatever form of link weight/popularity measurement they're using as part of their algos.

Get a link for the traffic it will potentially bring you. If you get enough traffic/sales to justify the cost of the link, then keep it. If you don't, then don't keep paying for it. If you think the page you're on is the one where you'll get the best, most qualified traffic that has the greatest potential to convert to sales, then stay there. If you think another page would be better for you, then move. Base your decision on things you can track and measure.

The one thing you should NOT do is try to make a decision based on some presumed PageRank benefit which you have no way of measuring or assessing.

My

--Torka

[kevs]

It's still a good link, yes.

Thanks Scotti:
Yes what?

Jill:
I don't see how PR can be meanigless if it says on Google site it's the core of what they do.

Torka:
that for providing of one the most lucid answers to my question thus far. That said, maybe my strategy of paying more than few bucks, ($199.00 for business.com and $99 yr, for another regarded directory may be bad idea if my logs or phone calls don't show traffice then)


ok Jill did search, see bit of what your are saying, if you have a particular thread that clearifies your statement, please provide it.t hanks