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[nonprofitwebguy]

Hello, I'm new and looking for a couple quick answers from somewhere. As I learn I also hope to be able to give back to this forum.

I've taken some classes and have gotten some certifications and now I'm entering the real world of creating web pages.

My question: I'm working on several large projects with a very limited budget (non profits). They involve about 150 domains. We can only afford a few hosting packages and want to try to avoid free hosting with banner ads. I will be able to combine them into several main sites and then use forward masking for some of the domains. My question is how will it affect search engine rankings (especially Google) for the individual pages.

Let me give a couple of examples to clarify what I'm asking.

1) a main site like autoracing.cc , then twenty individual racing sites under it like Jeff24.com, jj48.com, etc. Each of these sites hosted under autoracing.cc yet using forward masking for each of these domains to the proper page in autoracing.cc. If I design it right and get enough traffic , when the search engine spider comes by will it list my Jeff Gordan fan site as "Jeff24.com" or as autoracing.cc/jeff etc. DO I NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE HOSTING PACKAGES (WHICH I CAN'T AFFORD) IN ORDER TO BE LISTED PROPERLY. I will submit each individual page (jefff24.com, jj48.com, etc.) to the search engine.


2) Example 2 - Shoppinglinks.us as a master affiliate shopping site. Then individual shop sites hosted underneath with individual store names. Can i get the individual store domains listed in the search engine as they resolve and they are titled, or will they all be listed under shoppinglinks.us/blahblah etc.
Thanks,
Scott
follow2day@aol.com

[t49]

started to post a response,but don't want to get myself kicked off this forum,so I deleted it.
... I'll give you a hint,as to what I typed ... Forum SPAM !!!

[SearchRank]

Welcome to the forum, pheromones.

If you are talking about virtual hosting where several domain names all share the same IP address then search engines will have no problem indexing those sites.

As far as rankings go, better just make sure all those sites are unique and not some kind of duplicate set of sites.

[Randy]

If I understand your question correctly, it sounds as if you're basically wanting to park your alternate domains to hold down hosting costs and then having those auto-forward to a section of the main domain.

In that case, your Jeff24.com type domains will not be listed in the SERPs since they contain no content. If you're doing a typical forward as you should (301 Permanent Redirect) the search engines would pick up and list the autoracing.cc/jeff pages, not the forwarding domain.

Catch-22. Either pay for hosting for the alternate domains and put content on them to get them listed; Or get the main domain listed for the various content and hold down the hosting costs.

Now, that said there are other ways to trick the browser into thinking it is at one domain location, but pulling the information from another domain entirely. You could do something like AliasMatch'ing at the server level, assuming all domains are on the same server of course.

Being a host, I could set up any domain to pull page information from anywhere on a single server if I wanted to. But it's more of a pain than it's worth, so most hosts are probably going to charge you for Full Hosting on each alternate domain using that type of delivery method. I know I would, just for the hassle of setting up the AliasMatch on multiple domains and making the server perform extra processing work to deliver the content.

[OldWelshGuy]

One thing I should say here is that there is often some confusion between 'domain names' and url's. When the spider goes to a page it is visiting the url not the domain name. so if you have abc123.com redirected to 'users.247webshosting.com/hkhkhk/kjguu' then it is the actual url that will go into the database and will be displayed in the SERPS. domain name forwarding is mainly for usability, not for any spider techno reason.

If you host the domain name on the same server, and map it to your pages, then google will treat it as duplicate content, and you are storing up all sorts of problems.

[t49]

150 non profit shopping sites?
for example our non-profit MASTER AFFILIATE site?
give us free advice on how to get free hosting for our 150 BUSINESS sites.
tell us,for FREE,how to get our 150 SE spammy BUSINESS sites individual high rankings.

hey,nonprofitwebguy,don't forget to say thanks suckers!

[Randy]

ROFL T49. Point taken.

OWG, while what you say is 100% true, there are ways to do this type of content pull from another domain (or really another location on the same server) which is completely transparent to browsers or SE's if you do it at the server level. Which is why I won't do it, especially not for free. Yes, this is something I tested once upon a time just for chuckles.

[OldWelshGuy]

RANDY you nearly turned to the dark side then but the force is strong in one so young

[Randy]

I am what my master has made of me Yoda.

Luke: It's too big Yoda!
Yoday: Size matters not. Look at me, judge me by my size do you? Hmm....

[Ron Carnell]

DO I NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE HOSTING PACKAGES (WHICH I CAN'T AFFORD) IN ORDER TO BE LISTED PROPERLY.

Depends on your definition of a hosting package. You can't do anything with a domain name without it being assigned a named server, and for some that will constitute a hosting package. Even there, however, what little you could do with DNS wouldn't help with SE rankings and would probably hurt.

Randy's solution depends on entries made to the web server configuration, not DNS, and the minute you add something to httpd.conf most people will call that a hosting package. It requires time to configure and maintain, and it puts a load on the server (albeit an extremely small one), so most traditional companies will expect to compensated.

What you are looking for, I think, is not a hosting package per se. You want to rent disk space, along with the tools to utilize that disk space as you wish. I haven't looked in a very long time, and have no idea what the current costs are running, but this type of arrangement usually falls under Reseller Agreements. You get a block of disk (and bandwidth, though that's not important here) and access to software that allows you to break up the disk space in any way you want. Obviously, you have to learn a little bit about configuring domains, but today's software makes that pretty painless. It won't be as inexpensive as a single hosting package, but it should be considerably less than 150 hosting packages.

Do a Google search on host "unlimited domains" (with the quotes) and you should find plenty of research material.