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[aquatix]

I have begun link exchanging for a customer of mine who already is listed #3 in his keyword by Google and has a PR of 5. I figure, the only real way to get him higher is to get more incoming links, although I am sure this will be the first mistake in a line of mistakes corrected by this forum.

I have read many opinions and still haven't seen a clear answer to the following questions:

Does getting links from pages with PR's of 0 do any good or any harm?

Should I only go for link exchanges from pages with PR's of 1 or greater?

Am I penalized for having my link buried on someones page 20 of their link farm?

Will using the linking software Arelis hurt me in any way?

Should I individually submit each one of my link pages to google in hopes of PRs themselves?

Thanks in advance,

[powerofeyes]

Does getting links from pages with PR's of 0 do any good or any harm?

First check the Homepage page if it has a PR then there is no big deal to worry about, if the links page is even PR0 you can exchange links, A PR0 can be anything a new site or a Penalized by google so I will stay away from them, Exchanging links with relevant sites will help a lot not just on search engine point of view but you can even get good referrals from those sites,

Should I only go for link exchanges from pages with PR's of 1 or greater?

As far as the site is not penalized no problem about exchanging links, But PR0 ill better to stay away from the site,

Am I penalized for having my link buried on someones page 20 of their link farm?

There is no penalty for incoming links even if you have a link from a FFA it wont be much of a problem unless you dont link back, And on exchanging links, where the other site owner has big links directory it wont be a big problem unless that site is a worthy site with some decent PR,

Will using the linking software Arelis hurt me in any way?

Arelis is a good link building software we used to use it but no proper response, Automated requests doesnt value too much and will straight go to the Trash and mostly considered spam, So better to go for manual request,

Should I individually submit each one of my link pages to google in hopes of PRs themselves?

There is never a need to submit to large search engines like Google,Alltheweb,INKTOMI etc, All these search engines follow Href and SRC links and will find your site if you have link from good quality sites, So all you need is quality links, so build your links instead of submitting and waiting,

VIJAY

[awall19]

PageRank 0 is ok but a greyed out toolbar can be a sign of either a new site or bad stuff...

[Scottie]

Hi aquatix! Welcome

You can read this here in many threads but I'll say it again.

Get links from sites that will bring you traffic. Their PR does not matter. You can't gauge a site by looking at the toolbar.

Link to sites that will be useful to your visitors. Don't link to sites you wouldn't personally recommend.

Don't obsess over PR. Would you want the pawn shop in a bad neighborhood handing out business cards for you? Would you hand out cards for them? You are actively promoting the sites you link to, and they are promoting you. Make sure it makes sense for your business.

On Arelis, it can speed up the job of finding potential link partners. IMO, don't use their e-mail harvesting feature (often pulls the wrong one) and don't use their obvious templated e-mails.

Look at the site carefully to see if they are likely to have a reason to link back to you- if they don't link to any other sites, and your site isn't something truly amazing that they will want to know about, don't spam them with a link request. Just because they are related doesn't mean they have a reason to link to you.

Why should other sites link to yours? Think of an angle, a resource, something that makes your site truly useful to other related sites. Then, promoting it in the industry and letting the world know it's there will help it to build links. Instead of thinking in terms of exhanges, think about the value the site can provide.

Link exchanges between related sites are great- nothing wrong with that. But to rise to the top, you need to set your site apart from the rest.

[Debra]

Welcome to the link building line aquatix!

You'll find you'll get a lot of different answers to your questions, it's part of what makes this forum such a great resource. Let me add my two cent answers.

Does getting links from pages with PR's of 0 do any good or any harm

Short answer - will do no harm, will do no good.

Your site will not be "penalized" if such a site links to yours. You're not in control of what other people do, so no, you can't be hurt.

Should I only go for link exchanges from pages with PR's of 1 or greater?

The toolbar offers instant gratification with a "score" so it's no wonder we've come to depend on it to make decisions for us. Not a good thing IMO.

If my client's home page was a PR5 and I was asked to swap with a site with a homepage of PR1, I'd probably say no with just that information. ( heck, I'd probably say no anyway). I don't usually consider swapping links with a site that has lower overall PR than my clients.

When you come across a site you're interested in swapping links with, ask yourself what a partnership with this site will bring to the table. Take a look at the page your link will reside on and determine if it's placement will benefit your clients site in any way. Remember, when you swap links, you're offering your visitors the opportunity to leave your site and spend money elsewhere. Be damn sure that link off continues to benefit your client's site in some way.

Am I penalized for having my link buried on someones page 20 of their link farm?

Yes. Link farms are a no-no as outlined in google's webmaster guidelines.

Will using the linking software Arelis hurt me in any way?

I've never used this so I can't answer your question directly, but I think the question I'd ask Arleis is "which of the search engines won't penalize me for running your kind of program on them?" Come back and tell us what you find out!

I think Scottie is right when she suggests it's best not to use their automated templates. They sound so... "template". Yuck.

Should I individually submit each one of my link pages to google in hopes of PRs themselves?

If you're asking about submitting your client's link page to Google - then sure, it won't hurt. It takes two seconds and you're done with it. Clients seem to find some satisfaction with knowing their sites have been "submitted". Make them happy!

[Jill]

I noticed awhile back that many "links pages" show a PR0 these days. Haven't looked lately, but it's something to think about. I don't think submitting those will help them to not be a 0 as I think Google purposely was making pages that it knew for sure were just reciprocal links, a PR0.

I don't surf with my toolbar as I use a different browser, so I haven't rechecked this lately, but it's something to keep in mind.

Jill

[Ron Carnell]

Take the fraction 1/2 and subtract 1/4 from it. Then take the results and subtract 1/8. Now, subtract 1/16 and then 1/32. Continue the same exact pattern until you reach zero.

Okay, it's a trick situation because, of course, you will NEVER reach zero. This exercise is only slightly more interesting than watching your car rust.

Similarly, the only way you will ever find an indexed page with a true PR0 is if that value has been plugged in there by hand, which just doesn't happen that often. Failing a penalty, every indexed page on the Internet has a positive PR value that WILL pass through outbound links.

You can sell 1,000 widgets for $1,000 each, or you can sell two million widgets for fifty cents each, and in either case your revenue is STILL a million bucks. Every link helps. Even the fifty cent ones.