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[Randy]

The problem with your theory fase is that you don't know the true PR for any page on the entire 'Net. Nor do I. Nor to 90% of the people working in the Googleplex for that matter.

The Toolbar PR worse than useless. Not only is it wrong 999 times out of 1,000 --they only update it every few months after all while the real PR is updated constantly-- but it leads people down a totally false path.

Let me throw you a curve and turn things around just for fun.

Would you get a link from and link to a PR9 site even if you knew or suspected it was up to something funny? If you answer Yes based solely upon its displayed PR, would you be terribly surprised if when the Toolbar PR next updated the site you chose to link to was suddenly What would you do then? De-link from it?

[fase]

Would you get a link from and link to a PR9 site even if you knew or suspected it was up to something funny?  If you answer Yes based solely upon its displayed PR, would you be terribly surprised if when the Toolbar PR next updated the site you chose to link to was suddenly   What would you do then?  De-link from it?

I would suppose this is totally right, but is that what you would tell a client trying to raise his SERP.

Or better yet what linking methods would you put forth ???

[Jill]

But a the same token to increase you serp than you most have a reasonable amount of high PR site linking back to you so way not worry about it.

No you don't.

[Ruchi-Pardal]

I think that if the web page that you are getting a link from is indexed in google , is relevant to your linked page and has less than 50 outgoing links on the page you can go ahead and get a link from this page.

As you say that the main page has a PR then in some time the other pages will also start picking up PR. You should give more importance to the quality of the page rather than a PR value.

[Randy]

I would suppose this is totally right, but is that what you would tell a client trying to raise his SERP.

Or better yet what linking methods would you put forth ???

First, I would never even mention PageRank to them. If they mention it to me I would take the time to educate them as to why the displayed PR is an albatross.

Then explain to them that links and links alone are simply one factor in getting a better ranking. The normal site does not need 10,000 links. You have to cover all or most of the on-site and off-site factors if you want long term success --the kind that will stand up to the constant algorithm changes.

In most markets even 100 links from really solid sites will do the job. Of course this doesn't mean that you'll end up with only 100 backlinks, because if your site is a quality offer you'll get links from all sorts of sites you wouldn't have gone to the trouble to pursue. But I would make the focus of where I'm spending my time and the clients money on those 100 links from quality sites. Then move on from there if need be.

[Michael Martinez]

I would suppose this is totally right, but is that what you would tell a client trying to raise his SERP.

Well, I'd tell the client we need to work on improving his positioning in the search results rather than spin wheels chasing PR.

Or better yet what linking methods would you put forth ???

First I would look to see how well optimized his content is. You can chase links forever and still not get anywhere. Lots of people hit the forums with hundreds and thousands of links, complaining that their sites don't show in the SERPs.

Linking is an art, not a science.

You want links that provide value, but you really need good content. Without the content, what good are the links?

[fase]

Ruchi-Pardal wrote:

"I think that if the web page that you are getting a link from is indexed in google , is relevant to your linked page and has less than 50 outgoing links on the page you can go ahead and get a link from this page.

As you say that the main page has a PR then in some time the other pages will also start picking up PR. You should give more importance to the quality of the page rather than a PR value."

Thanks, nothing beats clear cut and useful advice.

Randy wrote:

In most markets even 100 links from really solid sites will do the job. Of course this doesn't mean that you'll end up with only 100 backlinks, because if your site is a quality offer you'll get links from all sorts of sites you wouldn't have gone to the trouble to pursue. But I would make the focus of where I'm spending my time and the clients money on those 100 links from quality sites. Then move on from there if need be.

Thats true. I even get unsolicited oneway links from site i don't even care to have.

I know this is off topic but one guy emailed me saying he want to post a topic about my site and he'll link back but need my permission since my stuff was copywitten.

Don't know what to do cause his site is in the same niche but he's ranking higher then mine. I could use the link but don't want to be penilized for duplicate content.

I ask about this in another tread
online copyright techniques

I asked

So the question is can my pages be filtered if someone duplicate my content.

Jill said.

Yes, if they are a more popular site than yours.

So the question is :
Does this guy know this and is trying to scam me in some way i'm not aware of that one of you good folks may recognize???

[Randy]

Does the article he wants to use rank well for a phrase he may be shooting for? Or I guess more to the point, does your article rank better than any page on his site does for what he wants permission to borrow?

My guess (and it's purely a guess) is that he's probably just trying to beef up his content on a subject or sub-subject and ran across your article.

If your article already ranks well then I would probably pass. Or consider letting him use a modified version. Or let him use the current version and write a modified version to put up on your site.

On the flip side, if your article doesn't already rank well and pull traffic for a certain keyword term or two, I don't see much harm in giving permission to use it. After all, you'd be getting a good link out of the deal. Just make sure he's not going to be doing something silly like running the link to your site through some sort of jump script or something. You'll want to make it clear going in that you want a nice, clean, pure html link back as part of the bargain.

[Jill]

I know this is off topic but one guy emailed me saying he want to post a topic about my site and he'll link back but need my permission since my stuff was copywitten.

Does this guy know this and is trying to scam me in some way i'm not aware of that one of you good folks may recognize???

My goodness. What is the world coming to when soneone WANTS to republish your stuff (which is a GREAT THING) and people suspect their motives?

[Scottie]

If his site is more popular that yours... maybe the link will direct some traffic your way?

Something to think about- it's not all a competition.