I'm really new to the idea of Search Engine Marketing and need some help. Right now my site is built in Cold Fusion. It was an out-of-the-box program that just isn't working well for us, and I've since learned that Cold Fusion is horrible for search engines and spiders. First of all, is that correct? Is Cold Fusion bad?
Second, our internal developers are working on re-doing the site in .Net to include better features. When speaking to a SEO rep., he said that .NET is a step up from Cold Fusion but not ideal. My programmer said that he's an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about because asp is now .asp. The SEO guy said that the programmer has a snobbish attitude and that .net really isn't ideal, but he won't fight him and could work around it. I just really want to know from some experts, is it a bad idea to spend the time to re-build a site in .NET? Is PHP (which my programmer says does not work well in a corporate setting) or ASP (which he says is super old) the better way to go? Any advice would be great. Thanks so much!
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 01:26 PM
In regards to SEO, there's nothing wrong with any of the languages mentioned above... some content management systems may give you SEO headaches but the languages in and of themselves don't matter. You can achive high rankings regardless of the programming language.. You just want to make sure your site is spider friendly. So no Coldfusion is not bad and the type of programming language depends on your needs.
Hopefully your SEO and programmer can get along though because they will most likely have to work together to make sure your site is crawlable, etc.
Hope that helps.
Hopefully your SEO and programmer can get along though because they will most likely have to work together to make sure your site is crawlable, etc.
Hope that helps.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 02:04 PM
Yeah, a lot more depends on the scripting/programming decisions and the database structure than on the specific language used. For instance, you need to ensure you have the ability to create unique title tags in the header of each and every page. I've seen a lot of sites where the programmer just fed in the entire <head> section of all the pages from a single include or control so every page had the identical title tag and META description. Easy solution for the programmer; terrible for SEO. And a lot harder to undo than it would have been to simply do it correctly the first time around.
My company's main site is in asp.NET. It's a pain in the wazzoo to work with on a lot of levels and for a lot of reasons (not the least of which is that I am NOT a programmer myself), but being bad for SEO is not one of it's drawbacks.
I'm with Al. You'll have much better results with a programmer and an SEO who can work together well from the get-go.
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My company's main site is in asp.NET. It's a pain in the wazzoo to work with on a lot of levels and for a lot of reasons (not the least of which is that I am NOT a programmer myself), but being bad for SEO is not one of it's drawbacks.
I'm with Al. You'll have much better results with a programmer and an SEO who can work together well from the get-go.
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 03:02 PM
Spiders can only read HTML.
All scripting languages output in HTML, regardless of which one you use.
So, spiders don't care what scripting language you've used (in fact, they can't even tell, just the same as you can't tell whether a page was generated using a scripting language just by looking at the code)
Pick whichever one the SEO-friendliest developer you can find knows
All scripting languages output in HTML, regardless of which one you use.
So, spiders don't care what scripting language you've used (in fact, they can't even tell, just the same as you can't tell whether a page was generated using a scripting language just by looking at the code)
Pick whichever one the SEO-friendliest developer you can find knows
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Posted 24 April 2006 - 05:50 PM
ASP.NET can be really poor for SEO from one aspect especially, the DB driven menu "wizard"
100% javascript and invisible to crawlers.
100% javascript and invisible to crawlers.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 02:26 PM
That's not really the fault of the language itself though, is it.....?
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 04:08 PM
Nope. It's Bill Gates's fault. It's always his fault. 
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 04:37 PM
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Nope. It's Bill Gates's fault. It's always his fault. biggrin.gif
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 04:31 AM
QUOTE(Raphael @ Apr 26 2006, 03:26 PM)
That's not really the fault of the language itself though, is it.....?
hi all, I'm new, this is my first post. I'm an asp.net and php programmer. I happen to be struggling with the asp.net VS php question.
So first, it is the language's fault if it spits out javascript. ASP.Net 2.0 is really fun to work with, you can do very cool things with well-written widgets. But how they render is mostly out of your control.
Do you remember the foam sea monster toys, you added water and they turned into something bigger and cooler? Asp.Net 2.0 is like that, it's cool and fun but you never know what you're going to get for HTML. It's a mystery until you reverse engineer it.
My celebrity death match between php and asp.net is this: I have been writing and teaching .net since it came out. I've done php apps during that time too, but I believe it's hard to fight a $40 billion investment. My business philosophy is to buy php and sell asp.net. People who buy asp.net have actual budgets.
And yet? The toys available for a .net programmer? Not so great.
I am going to build a community hub. I'm getting idea after idea of who is on the hub, how they benefit, the tools we give them, how it's funded... every time I read something the answer comes to me in the form of a PHP application that someone else has already written.
PHP has vbulletin, phpbb, wordpress, mambo, and a huge community of free thinking and generous coders.
.net has dot net nuke, community server and community starter kits. They're a little bit lame and there's a limited community working on them.
So, that's my vent. It's nice to meet you all.
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 04:52 AM
Welcome to the forums Caroline. 
Sorry, but I had to edit your signature a little bit to comply with Forum Rules.
Sorry, but I had to edit your signature a little bit to comply with Forum Rules.
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 05:41 AM
Welcome Caroline.
Back to pinkhen's Q
I dont think its horrible or so. It seems your programmer have less or zero knowledge about tweaking Cold Fusion.
No. Its not a bad idea to re-build but be sure you have an expert and someone may not distract you again just to hide his/her own lack of knowledge.
Any technology you can adopt, its up to you.
Be careful from half knowledge persons.
Just my opinion
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Back to pinkhen's Q
QUOTE(pinkhen7 @ Apr 24 2006, 02:15 PM)
I've since learned that Cold Fusion is horrible for search engines and spiders. First of all, is that correct? Is Cold Fusion bad?
I dont think its horrible or so. It seems your programmer have less or zero knowledge about tweaking Cold Fusion.
QUOTE(pinkhen7 @ Apr 24 2006, 02:15 PM)
is it a bad idea to spend the time to re-build a site in .NET?
No. Its not a bad idea to re-build but be sure you have an expert and someone may not distract you again just to hide his/her own lack of knowledge.
QUOTE(pinkhen7 @ Apr 24 2006, 02:15 PM)
Is PHP (which my programmer says does not work well in a corporate setting) or ASP (which he says is super old) the better way to go?
Any technology you can adopt, its up to you.
Be careful from half knowledge persons.
Just my opinion
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 05:00 PM
welcome to HR Caroline 
maybe not the underlying language(s) if you are actually programming in one of them.
The problem is the "server controls" where the "developer" strings a few predefined lines together, and instant webpage.
It's a bit like saying "Hey I'm a chef, I did a boil in the bag meal"
All in all it's creating a whole new generation of numpties who can't even spell HTML never mind write code in it.
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That's not really the fault of the language itself though, is it.....?
maybe not the underlying language(s) if you are actually programming in one of them.
The problem is the "server controls" where the "developer" strings a few predefined lines together, and instant webpage.
It's a bit like saying "Hey I'm a chef, I did a boil in the bag meal"
All in all it's creating a whole new generation of numpties who can't even spell HTML never mind write code in it.
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 07:00 PM
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programmer and an SEO who can work together
Nowadays, aren't the programmer and SEO the same person? Anybody who's good at .net or php should be at least a half-baked SEO. Just a wild thought.
I would think think one of the programmer's goals would be to design the site from the ground up as search-engine friendly.
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hi all, I'm new, this is my first post. I'm an asp.net and php programmer. I happen to be struggling with the asp.net VS php question.
Howdy Caroline!
Then use both simultaneously on different sites. The cream always comes to the top. Eventually, you'll figure out which one bops your noptab.
I just llllooovvvee VB 2005 for office-type apps but am still using PHP for active pages on the web. PHP, for my needs, has been very easy to pick up (with some greatly appreciated help from others).
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 09:19 PM
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Nowadays, aren't the programmer and SEO the same person? Anybody who's good at .net or php should be at least a half-baked SEO. Just a wild thought.
No way! They would be very different people. Yes, you'd want a programmer that understands SEO friendly programming, but I wouldn't entrust my entire SEO campaign to one who was a programmer. Just as I wouldn't to one who was a copywriter, or a designer.
An SEO knows how to tie all those things together. Although they may not do the actual work themselves, they have the contacts in the programming, designing and copywriting world to make it all work.
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Posted 03 May 2006 - 03:56 PM
QUOTE(Alan Perkins @ May 2 2006, 05:52 AM)
Sorry, but I had to edit your signature a little bit to comply with
Thanks for the welcome and that's quite alright. I've joined a bunch of forums lately, I admit to not reading all the faq's. Thanks!
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