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[legalguy]

My website is approx 10 months old. Same old story - I am doing great in Yahoo and MSN but having difficulty with Google.

One of the first things I did was to purchase 1 way links through a service [removed]. Since then, I have learned they are low quality and probably do not benefit me much. I also have noticed those links disappear on MSN in the last month.

My question is: will I endanger my success on yahoo and msn (and future success on google if a large quantity of low quality links suddenly is discontinued?

Thanks.

Edited by Jill, 25 March 2006 - 02:18 PM.

[Jill]

Welcome legalguy!

My question is: will I endanger my success on yahoo and msn (and future success on google if a large quantity of low quality links suddenly is discontinued?

Hard to say. Depends on how much they're currently helping.

You could try it and see what happens though, as that's the only way to know for sure.

[Leann_Pass]

My website is approx 10 months old. Same old story - I am doing great in Yahoo and MSN but having difficulty with Google.

Make sure you count the age of your site - not from when it went live, but from when you began obtaining backlinks that Google recognized. And keep in mind that many many people report decent Google rankings taking even as long as a year these days - add that to the fact that Google is still rolling out "Big Daddy" which has been sort of a mess - so it's difficult to monitor your site with them right now anyway.

One of the first things I did was to purchase 1 way links through a service [removed]. Since then, I have learned they are low quality and probably do not benefit me much. I also have noticed those links disappear on MSN in the last month.

My question is: will I endanger my success on yahoo and msn (and future success on google if a large quantity of low quality links suddenly is discontinued?

Are these the only links pointing to your site? If so, you should work at obtaining some real quality links (which you may already have) before dropping those. You might could drop a few at a time and then monitor the effects.

I don't know what kind of links you purchased, but from what I can tell, Yahoo has no problem with site wide links while Google, on the other hand, doesn't appreciate site wides at all. You fair better with Google to have a small number of links from multiple sites than to have a ton of links from one site.

More than you asked, I know - sorry, but I hope it helps.
Leann

[Mong]

Google has no way to detect that its paid link or friend's link or network link.

Probably you have to get some more links
Quality links are only taken thru quality contents.

[chrishirst]

Google has no way to detect that its paid link or friend's link or network link.

Sure about this? If you can find sites that sell links,then so can the Google engineers. Link Exchanges and Networks will always have a footprint to detect.
Any kind of contrived linking will have a pattern, it just may take a little time to discover it.

[alemcherry]

Sure about this? If you can find sites that sell links,then  so can the Google engineers. Link Exchanges and Networks will always have a footprint to detect.
Any kind of contrived linking will have a pattern, it just may take a little time to discover it.

I am not too sure about that. The links wont have any info about the network, and wont have much of a pattern either. Its not even 2 way link! Google cant even recognise MFA sites, forget the real paid links! if its from quality sites, yuo will be safe! Even otherwise, an incoming link can NEVER hurt you.

[chrishirst]

Even otherwise, an incoming link can NEVER hurt you.

I wouldn't be too positive about the use of "never"

[torka]

The links wont have any info about the network, and wont have much of a pattern either.

Which in itself might be a problem.

Any "natural" system will display a distinctive pattern. While the formulas that describe these patterns are relatively simple, the input parameters are numerous, and a minute variation in even one will result in profound differences in the output in relatively short order. Thus, any attempt to artificially mimic a natural system will almost certainly not display the same pattern as a truly natural system. This is easy-peasy to detect mathematically, and Google et.al. employ an army of math geniuses.

I personally wouldn't want to stake my livelihood on the idea that Google "can't" detect any given linking scheme.

I think it's naive to underestimate the SE's capabilities in the long run.

My YMMV

--Torka

[Debra]

I personally wouldn't want to stake my livelihood on the idea that Google "can't" detect any given linking scheme.

Agree, especially when search engine reps have publically stated they can detect linking patterns and actively search for them. Go over to Webmaster Radio and listen to the interviews with the Google rep Matt Cutts... you'll hear him comment on the linking patterns of site's they're discussing on the air by using a special link tool. He/Google can tell.

Even otherwise, an incoming link can NEVER hurt you.

Well - they can "hurt" in they don't help.

[Debra]

Since there was talk earlier about link networks and if they're detected, here's a current link to some interesting reading regarding Google and linking co-ops.

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/7105

[myl]

One of the first things I did was to purchase 1 way links through a service [removed]. 

Thanks.

stay away from these services or you are going to be doomed in the SERPS (with regards to google mainly) yahoo and msn might buy into these tactics it depends...

[ST3PHAN13]

I have not been in the linking business for long - but it seems to be very evident that the links you purchase need to be relevant to your theme, having timely content, and a static URL so it can pass along popularity.


Sure Google can detect linking patterns - Google can without a doubt detect anything they want - especially if it is going against the tyranny

However, how can they get you for purchasing links? It would be the same paper tracking as a legit exchange or content input.

Anyways, referring to your 'bad' service provider - I think there are some link services that are in the business of selling links and that's is it; they don't focus of supplying what you need to satisfy your demands, strictly selling.

Customer service makes a big difference on providing solutions to meet your linking objectives, but therein lies the difference on quantity and quality.

Anyhow - great luck to you in your situation!

Stephanie

[ST3PHAN13]

Hello Again!

Just found this interesting tidbit of info on the topic of links and what they do for your site and what google is attempting to do....

Enjoy! Happy Reading and would love to hear feedback from anyone with thoughts on the opposite side of the fence.


www.sitepoint.com/article/text-link-ads-buy-way-top

Edited by Randy, 19 October 2006 - 05:05 PM.