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[ChipJohns]

It seems to be that basing a conclusion on a few sets of keywords is a bit not like us
(researchers)

David1221, It seems if you did a test on say 100 sets of keywords over a wide array
then it would be worth something. Even a hundred isn't that much for a test but at least
it is something to be a little more scientific about..! ?? !! ??

[Jill]

Welcome Ren ! Nice to see you here!
OFFTOPIC:

Missed seeing you in NYC at SES. Did get a chance to see David though. (Spilled some wine on him even )

[Trellian]

Did get a chance to see David though. (Spilled some wine on him even)

That will be $15 for dry cleaning ... Only joking...

See you go away for a week and look at all the posts about KD.

Also, I just checked WT for the keyword that started all of this and found:

In WT:
"online website marketing"
Count 106 (based on WT 90 days)
Count 430 (based on WT 365 days)

In KD:
"online website marketing"
Count 233 (based on KD 365 days)

In short when comparing the count figures, I don’t know about you, but to me a 197 (430 less 233) is not a substantial discrepancy.

Now for the predicted daily figures... this is calculated by multiplying the count figure with a % of searches that each tool perceives not to cover.

For any term that has soooooo few searches, a handful of searches either way can through out the predicted daily counts to such an extreme, that is why the predicted daily counts should not be relied upon for terms that have few searches to begin with.

Cheers
David

[Scottie]

Welcome to the forum, Ren!

Great to hear the project-switching thing is fixed! I've got some KW projects to work on today so I'll be testing that.

[NotASuperGenuis]

Google was perhaps not the best example, more the AOL, MSN .... But I agree, we would love to get access to full Google search logs to base the KeywordDiscovery database on. Obviously that is never going to happen, so we have to make do with the current technology that scrapes the google search data from ISP logs.

Sorry to be dense but what is this "technology"? Does KD purchase access to ISP server logs?

[FP Guy]

I just happen to be working with both right now. And right now I'm having problems with importing and exporting keyword lists in trellion.

I have a new list of keywords to export and it exports the last 50 I did already, so I have to repaste and redo the analyze for the keywords.

The searches with KD are better than when I was doing it for Michigan Trails the last time though.

Michael

[Jill]

Welcome NotASuperGenuis!

Sorry to be dense but what is this "technology"? Does KD purchase access to ISP server logs?

I believe they get their data from a variety of places, one being paid-inclusion data from Yahoo.

[NotASuperGenuis]

I believe they get their data from a variety of places, one being paid-inclusion data from Yahoo.

Hi Jill - the comment "scrapes the google search data from ISP logs" made me wonder if my ISP is selling my search activity to these companies. Also made me wonder how much money I could make if I sold the same data from my search logs

[projectphp]

No, ISPs sell your COMPLETE INTERNET USAGE data. Companies Like trellian and hitwise pull out the bits they are interested in, but esentially, they get the whole kit and kaboodle.

[Jill]

made me wonder if my ISP is selling my search activity to these companies.

Yep, they are!

[NotASuperGenuis]

No, ISPs sell your COMPLETE INTERNET USAGE data. Companies Like trellian and hitwise pull out the bits they are interested in, but esentially, they get the whole kit and kaboodle.

Figures. Thank you for your response (u2 Jill).

[webbpdx]

Keyword research the free way. Bust out the notepad, and your list of keywords you think you would like to rank well for. Do a search at the big 3 on each keyword. Check to see if any of your direct competitors are in the first 3 SERPs and note that they are, and for which phrase. Now begin a new leg of the mission by visiting all of your direct competitors and copy-paste their keywords tag (if they use it). Yes I know, this tag is pointless, but this a window to what they want to rank for. Pay attention to the duplicates between the competition.

Final step is to use an online tool that shows a keyword density cloud. For example, webconfs.com/keyword-density-checker.php Do a comparison to which phrases and keywords your competitors are using the most. When this is all done you now have a better idea about how relevant your keywords will be, which ones to use (or not use), what your competition wants to rank well for but doesn't and what they do rank well for.

Sounds like alot of extra work but I'm a fan of letting the numbers speak for themselves. In this case, the search engines are telling you what keywords to use.

[OldWelshGuy]

I have seen a situation where ALL the top ranked sites for an industry phrase were chasing the same set of keywords, NONE of them were chasing the right phrases though.

Lemmings jump off a cliff one after the other because the bloke in front has. You MUST have active result data to carry out SEO properly. I tend to use ALL the sources, and then run them through adwords to get 100% accurate data and also to refine them.

[Jill]

I can't agree with your methods, webbpdx. All that tells you is what other people THINK are good keywords.

Doesn't mean they are by any stretch of the imagination. Real keyword research tells you what people are searching for, not what people are optimizing for. What they're optimizing for is fairly irrelevant, imo, because nobody might be searching for those things.

[RiYo]

Dear Webbpdx,

The link to the site you mentioned does not work, the site opens but stays white, nothing happens

Richard