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Posted 18 February 2006 - 04:35 PM
When the visitor tries bookmarking a framed page (not knowing what it is) he may inadvertently find himself bookmarking a page without navigation of any kind. So you've done all that nice SEO to bring the visitor into your site and when he tries to come back with a bookmark he's stuck in kind of a no man's land.
I know, I know - any surfer worth his salt will be able to find you anyway. However, I read somewhere that seniors are the fastest growing market on the internet, so if your visitor is like my father who, now in his late seventies, is just learning to explore the wild and wooly cyberworld , he will not be able to find you without a large effort.
My point is, unless your site is really fabulous and there is nothing else like it on the Web -- why would he/she bother if you could not?
Posted 18 February 2006 - 06:04 PM
* Makes it harder for a visitor to bookmark your pages, or add them to their favorites. The bookmark will always point to your home page, which might not be the page they want to bookmark.
* Limit the viewing space your visitor has on the page.
* Often when a search engine lists your framed page, it will display without the frame on the left. This means that your visitor will not be able to see the navigation menu.
Edited by Randy, 19 February 2006 - 09:22 AM.
Posted 18 February 2006 - 08:08 PM
That's a highly informative post you typed out there. This is one of the big issues with frames. I never made any pages with frames because of all the negative stuff I heard about em when I first started.
Frames are very cool to surf. If you like frames, go for it!
Can't you bookmark areas of a framed page by rightClicking the area you want to bookmark such as the main content or menu bar and bookmarking from the dropdown menu? The average surfer wouldn't know anything about that though.
If I was gonna make a frame-type page, I'd try CSS. I made a test page once with a stationary header and left menu with scrolling content. You couldn't tell it wasn't made with traditional frames unless you looked at the Source.
Edited by maleman, 18 February 2006 - 08:17 PM.
Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:31 AM
I really like frame layouts. I always thought it was cool. Frames and printing can cause trouble and I have enough to deal with enough already so I try to keep everthing simple as possible.
Posted 19 February 2006 - 07:51 PM
Very interesting information, though. I am learning a lot.
Posted 19 February 2006 - 11:37 PM
I got it working in FF, IE, and O up to 1152 x 862 screen size.. It's an absolute positioned stretch-width layout with a scrolling main, optional scrolling or fixed sidebar, and a fixed header. I'm gonna see if I can get a dropdown menu worked in for the header.
It's holding up under resizing, looks pretty good.. I still have to tweak it a bit.
If you want to play with it, let me know.
Posted 20 February 2006 - 05:08 AM
Just to add;
I had a client with a site in frames, no real problems with crawling apart from the difficulty in getting every page indexed, the usual orphaned page issues were fixed with the help of Alan's SRF http://www.silverdis...les/srf/srf.htm
but more interesting was the point that sales increased by ~10% the first full trading day after getting rid of the frames and moving over to SSI, went up to a 20% increase in the first month and stayed at that level. Saved the client over £2000 a month in PPC after about 6 months because more pages were getting indexed and ranked as well.
So crawling issues aside, it looked like the user demographic didn't think much of frames.
Posted 20 February 2006 - 08:34 AM
Now that's the first sensible thing posted in this thread!
Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:39 PM
I believe that my whole site was designed in frames. I have been told by several people that this is not good for the seach engines. My web designer said that it doesnt matter.
Is my whole site going to need to be redesigned to get rid of the frames? I think that it is hurting me more than helping
Posted 30 March 2006 - 06:09 PM
Posted 31 March 2006 - 08:22 AM
April 18th lady ... the frames are coming down!
what a b-day present for me!!
Posted 31 March 2006 - 08:54 AM
iFrames are not the same as traditional frames, and I know last year people were wondering in a couple of forums if iFrames are handled differently from traditional frames. My sense, and I believe that of other people, has been that iFrames don't get crawled and indexed as expected.
About.com has been using frames for as long as I can remember and their site is well indexed and ranks highly . If anyone wants to use frames, I suggest they follow About's model as closely as possible.
Most of my content is not framed and I just don't see a need for frames in most cases.
Posted 31 March 2006 - 05:53 PM
Ditto. Adios to the iframe!
Isn't dealing with any kinda frame a lot of extra work anyway?
Happy b-day storyspinner!
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