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[Janet21]

My site was designed with frames. This was how my designer did it and this was before I was knowlegable enough to realize that this design was not the most seo friendly.

We'll, I am getting decent rankings, best on msn, good on yahoo and okay on google even with the frames. I guess I can assume that the search engines are atleast able to spider it. Do you think my rankings would increase significantly if I removed the frames?

I do plan on a site re-design in the near future.

[Jill]

Do you think my rankings would increase significantly if I removed the frames?

No, not at all. The frames problem has more to do with whether the page can get indexed, as well as the overall usability of the site.

But if you're getting indexed fine, then the frames are not a problem for the search engines in your case. (They're really not a problem for search engines at all anymore if you just follow a few simple rules.)

[Janet21]

That is good to know, thanks.

[powerofeyes]

Based on my experience frames are still a huge problem especially with internal link structure, pagerank distribution to internal pages, link popularity distribution to inner pages etc,

Did you check with site:yourdomain.com to see if all your pages are getting properly indexed, Please check that,

[incrediblehelp]

But if you're getting indexed fine, then the frames are not a problem for the search engines in your case.  (They're really not a problem for search engines at all anymore if you just follow a few simple rules.)

I think I understand what you mean here Jill, but I don't exactly agree. Sure if everything is just hunky dory for them right now with traffic levels, rankings and conversions then changing doesn't make a lot of sense, but moving from one page that the bots have access to, to multiple unique pages I think would make a big difference in overall traffic levels, rankings and conversionsand should be something to look into.

[Janet21]

Did you check with site:yourdomain.com to see if all your pages are getting properly indexed, Please check that,

I think they are, what do you think?

http://www.google.co...G=Google Search

I am totally new to this seo thing so please be patient.

[incrediblehelp]

Does Google not having cache of the page have anything to do with the website being in frames?

[davidfromraleigh]

I have had a lot of problems taking over framed sites with them not being indexed properly. One recently has been online for 2+ years, but showed a blank screen on the cache. We found it easier to remove the frames and get it indexed properly. Now, now more blank cache's.

I'm not saying Jill's way is not the best option. I really haven't used it. It just seems easier to remove them to me.

David

[powerofeyes]

You have trouble in all search engines because of frames, I bet you need to remove them,

check yahoo

http://search.yahoo....1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

all your pages are URL only this is mostly caused because yahoo saw all these pages as duplicates, duplicates are caused in frame sites because search engines cannot crawl the inner frame URL properly,

Google doesnt have cache of your pages again possible frames problem

http://www.google.co...seethisitem.com


Even MSN doesn't return cache for your site

http://search.msn.co...t=21&FORM=PERE2

you have trouble there too,

you have some sort of redirect in place that could also be the reason search engines are unable to return cache,

[incrediblehelp]

Right I saw the redirect to, but when I did a header check nothing was there (200 response). Looking at the code of the page you see the redirect is happening with the forceFrameset.js file.

[powerofeyes]

ok redirect using an external JS file ( forceFrameset.js ) , No search engine reads that so most probably all search engines are seeing duplicate copies of your pages i recommend you remove frames.

[Janet21]

I know there are definately some issues with the frames, but I was just not sure how significant they were as far as rankings go.

Even MSN doesn't return cache for your site

http://search.msn.co...t=21&FORM=PERE2

you have trouble there too,

msn seems to be finding my site just fine

http://search.msn.co...SNH&srch_type=0

[incrediblehelp]

I know there are definately some issues with the frames, but I was just not sure how significant they were as far as rankings go. 
msn seems to be finding my site just fine   

http://search.msn.co...SNH&srch_type=0

The search engines all are finding your home page fine, but we are concerned with the sub-pages primarily. Of course getting out of frames might help boost the home page somewhat because this would open up more content to the bots.

[Janet21]

What do you think would be involved with changing the site over? How much do you think it would cost? There aren't that many pages.

[powerofeyes]

msn seems to be finding my site just fine 

I agree with incrediblehelp, problem is not with your homepage its your subpages that are having problems,