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How Do Search Engines Treat Punctuation?


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#16 Jill

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 02:30 PM

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But what about Accentuation?
There aren't many English words with accents, but there are lots of them in Spanish, Portuguese, French...

Does anyone know how Accentuation influences search results?


You might want to check out our multilingual and International SEM Issues Forum and/or post this there.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 04:49 PM

QUOTE(Jill @ Feb 9 2006, 12:58 PM)
If it reads well, you can have a 100% density as far as the search engines are concerned.
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Jill, I thought extremely high density was considered spamming... No?

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#18 Jill

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 05:00 PM

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Jill, I thought extremely high density was considered spamming... No?


Not if it makes sense from a user point of view. But it's doubtful that a page with an extremely high keyword density would make sense from a user point of view.

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 12:15 PM

In tests a few years ago I gathered that words connected with the " / " were not seen as individual words. For example, writer/copywriter would not be found for each word separately.

Is it your experience that slashes are now treated as spaces?

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 01:59 PM

Periods, commas, yeah, but not apostrophes. Those appear to be seen as part of the word.
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Hello, I just joined. Greetings to all.

My keyword is "women's dress shoes" Are you saying that apostrophes are seen as the word, in other words, womens dress shoes and women's dress shoes are two different key phrases?

Thanks.

#21 torka

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 03:23 PM

Test it for yourself. It's really not that hard! thumbup1.gif

Search on Google for womens dress shoes and then for women's dress shoes. If Google considers the two search terms the same, it would make sense they would return the same results for both searches, no?

I just tried it and got different results for each. My conclusion is that they do consider those different search phrases.

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 09:33 AM

I made that mistake awhile ago. When doing keyword research I was actually using words like women's and wasn't getting good results from my research. I then put in womens and got a whole different set of results. I also went online and did a google search for women's jeans and womens jeans and got different results. Some sites still showed up for both, but the majority were different. So it seems that they see it as 2 different words.

#23 Jill

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 10:16 PM

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So it seems that they see it as 2 different words.


As well they should since they ARE 2 different words!

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:36 AM

Okay,

So now that I understand there are two different words, how can I optimize with file names?

Do I use "womens-shoes-8547.html"

Or "women-s-shoes-84547.html"

Which represents the apostrophe the best??

Note: not all the filenames will have those two words, some will have the keywords: women's sandals, women's boots, women's flats, etc.

I would just need to know if "womens" or "women-s" is better.

Also, would you reccomend on naming the folder with the keyword, or the file name??

I am sorry to ask all of this, but I am ready to add our fall line for shoes and I would like to know which is better.

Thanks,
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:59 AM

well, as filenames are of very minor significance in the scheme of things, it will make no appreciable difference whatsoever

it's the ANCHOR TEXT that makes the difference

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Which represents the apostrophe the best??
Neither.

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Also, would you reccomend on naming the folder with the keyword, or the file name
Neither.
as we have said on many occasions files and folders should be named for site maintenance not for the ridiculous idea of "it helps the search engines"


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Posted 17 April 2007 - 10:03 AM

Try using the alternate spelling in your alt tags. It won't be seen by most users, but the search engines may take notice.

#27 Jill

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 12:02 PM

Actually, p1r, many users do see the alt attributes.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 01:57 PM

Sure they do, if they take the time to hover over the image. But most folks pay no mind to those tags.

In either case, it's a great place to optimize your misspelled or plural forms of keywords that you aren't necessarily able to use in the text.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 03:46 PM

They aren't tags, they're attributes. IE is the only place where they pop up as tooltips. (Other browsers behave the way they're supposed to and don't pop up the alt attribute -- IE got it wrong.)

But users of IE aren't the only ones who will see them...

Visually impaired visitors will have them read out loud to them, and anyone using a browser with graphics turned off (cell phone/PDA, maybe?) will see the contents of those attributes written out, which makes them a terrible place to stuff with misspellings and alternate versions of your keyphrases.

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#30 Jill

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:41 PM

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IE is the only place where they pop up as tooltips.


I actually have an FF extension to do that because I LIKE to see them!

Although, Torka, if a screen reader is reading them, the misspelling may not be apparent if it sounds the same as the actual spelling, no?




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