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Google: November Algo Update-dance


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#1396 Colorforms

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Posted 12 February 2004 - 09:56 PM

Hello everyone,

I have been reading the postings for "Google: November Algo Update-dance". Did anyone ever figure out an answer or find a resolution to this situation? I have suffered a Page Rank plummet and listing disappearances as well. My website's high ranking has been strong since 1997. Ever since September of 2003, things have not been the same. I try often to make little changes to the site's text, etc and re-submit. At times the site might move up to #18, but then dissapears into oblivion. It's like the site is being weighted down. I've been waiting for things to change at Google, but the future seems so dim. :lol:


Any advice would be most appreaciated.

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Posted 12 February 2004 - 09:58 PM

You would be best off going to the most current update thread at http://www.highranki...?showtopic=3219

Google did another update after this one.

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Posted 12 February 2004 - 09:59 PM

Colorforms,

What is your site?

One thing I would advice is to figure out what Google thinks in which topics the pages fit. Try to make pages relevant to a topic,.. rather than to a keyword phrase.

Regards,

Peter

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Posted 12 February 2004 - 10:30 PM

Thank you ImVickieB I re-posted on todays thread of the topic.

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Posted 13 February 2004 - 08:34 AM

One thing I would advice is to figure out what Google thinks in which topics the pages fit. Try to make pages relevant to a topic,.. rather than to a keyword phrase.

Hi Peter:

How do you figure out what 'topic' G thinks your site is about, and why do you say that?

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Posted 13 February 2004 - 08:43 AM

The theory is that topic is related to DMOZ (and by extension, Google's directory), so if the site is listed in the ODP, the topic is the category. But that raises the question of how deep the categories go. The original paper (I don't remember which -- CIRCA, Hilltop, or TSPR) indicated that it was the 16 main categories, but it's likely that an effort would be made to be much more specific than that.

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Posted 13 February 2004 - 09:56 AM

The theory is that topic is related to DMOZ (and by extension, Google's directory)

... and that's where it gets interesting. The Google Directory has not been updated from the ODP Directory since November. This was said to be related to RDF dump problems. It has been said that these will be corrected within a week or so. Will something happen to G SERP's shortly thereafter?

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Posted 13 February 2004 - 04:21 PM

The theory is that topic is related to DMOZ (and by extension, Google's directory), so if the site is listed in the ODP, the topic is the category.

I have to disagree with this logic. It is not likely that Google determines the topic of a page based on the listing in ODP. It is likely that Google uses ODP to determine many topics and how they are ordered.

In my opinion a page may fit in more than one topic/subtopic. Especially in subtopics.

For instance a page about cars that describes 3 brands of cars fits in the topic/subtopic of each of these brands, in the topic cars,.. perhaps even in the subtopic car reviews, etc. etc. etc.

Determining the topic(s) of a page is not as simple as just simply copying the ODP structure and see where it is placed. That would not be very Google,.. :)

Then it seems that it is not possible to rank high for a higher level topic. If the page fits in a subtopic,. it won't rank high for higher level topics. For example a page about knitted sweaters, won't rank high for sweaters because knitted sweaters is a subtopic of sweaters,.. and to be fair,. knitted sweaters is NOT related to sweaters. The opposite is true though,.. sweaters is related to knitted sweaters. (knitted is not by definition a property of sweaters, but it is by definition a property of knitted sweaters).

So when you target a certain phrase, you have to be careful not to accidentally target a subtopic. Example,.. Alabama web designer,.... if that is in your title,. and in your description and in your header tags,. you can forget about ranking high for web designer. You will rank good for Alabama web designer though. Alabama web designer is a subtopic of web designer.

Of course this all is just my opinion. I could show you examples that this is correct, but there are many people that can show examples that it is not correct. However,. It is still my opinion,. .:wacko:

Regards,

Peter




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