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[powerofeyes]

Hello Richard,

Hey, Vijay, can you tell me how you caught that code? I'm getting redirected pretty quickly, I press STOP, view Source, I only get the top redirect URL, not all that nice keyword stuff.

How do you do it?

Yes Vickie gave the answer. Disable scripting for internet settings in your browser.

Tools --> INternet options --> Security --> Internet --> Custom Level

scroll down and disable all scripting and see youll see some weird page full of junk keyword spam,
VIJAY.

Edited by powerofeyes, 22 November 2003 - 09:17 PM.

[compar]

Go submit your site to all the directories you can find (there are hundreds of them),.. not just for link popularity purposes,.. but also to get more sources of visitors.

Adding a link to 50+ directories will give you an increase of at least 10% in visitors,.. generally targeted visitors.

Peter,

Do you think anybody actually searches in directories. I know my logs show little or no visitors coming from directories.

I know this is a little of topic, but I'd rather take my chances on Google with a search term than fight my way thought a whole bunch of incomprehensible directory categories.

[OldWelshGuy]

My contribution, poor as it is , is this. If someone links to you without request , ie a genune 'vote' then they will probably not link to you with your keywords, unless they are part of your domain name.

Maybe, just maybe, gogle has a ratio filter of % keywords over 'natural' word inbound links adjusting the 'score' with reference to this as another yardstick, and this is why domains with keyword domains apear to have suffered more.

I know this may sound odd, but a bottle of red, and half a bottle of white can do this to you

PS sorry if this has been suggested, but i am going to read up on missed pages in the morning, (it is 2am now).

[qwerty]

By the way, it's not always necessary to disable Javascript to see that stuff. If you type view-source:http://url into IE's address bar, it usually brings up the actual source before the redirect.

It depends on whether the redirect is on the page or if it's done at the server level. In this case, it worked.

[Leann_Pass]

Peter,

Do you think anybody actually searches in directories. I know my logs show little or no visitors coming from directories.

I know this is a little of topic, but I'd rather take my chances on Google with a search term than fight my way thought a whole bunch of incomprehensible directory categories.

Compar, I feel the same as you about not liking to search through directories.

However, we do get a considerable number of visitors from the few directories we are in.

Apparently a lot of people don't mind searching that way, I'm glad!

[joker]

Maybe I am just stupid here, but I just can't seem to believe that if we are looking at a paradigm shift akin to what the ever-insightul Peter and Jill have intimated, that it will end up being a good thing for google or the searching public. Seems to me that if google does shift its algorithm to provide higher rankings to directory-type and non-commercial sites for competitive keywords, all they will end up doing is diluting the value of their brand and paid inclusion advertising.

i know all this has happened before, and I know the other foot probably hasn't dropped, but still, I can't shake this feeling that if things bear out like they are suspected, they are setting themselves up to get their block knocked off by yahoo and ms

[Scottie]

Welcome to the forum Sallie and Shep!

Y'all picked a doozy of a first thread to post in! Glad to have you here.

[Peter]

Many people do use directories, perhaps not on a regular basis, but more as they come accross them.

And now with this interesting new phylosophy of Google,.. directories seem to be popping into the top10 more frequently.

So if I were you,.. I´d start submitting my url to lots of directories,.. Especially the ones that seem to pop up for your keyword phrases. (they´re much easier to find now,.. )

Peter

[Peter]

As you may have noticed,.. Google doesn't just show a directory,.. but shows the exact subdirectory you need to submit to as well,..

Peter

[Peter]

Seems to me that if google does shift its algorithm to provide higher rankings to directory-type and non-commercial sites for competitive keywords, all they will end up doing is diluting the value of their brand and paid inclusion advertising.

paid inclusion? Google?

diluting the value of their brand? Why do so many web masters think that they are Googles clients? Please,.. believe me,.. you´re not.

The searchers are Googles clients,.. those need to be kept happy.

Peter

[mcanerin]

Not completely true - Googles clients are those who pay for advertising.

If Google was a ranch, the websites (specifically the SERPs) would be the cattle that are sold to the slaughterhouse (Advertisers) for the ultimate benifit of the burger eaters (users).

Gotta make sure that the cattle are healthy and marketable or the restaurants (and therefore slaughterhouse) won't buy them. But don't confuse that with genuine concern for any particular heifer...

Hmmm, maybe that was a touch too cynical. But not too inaccurate, I think. Only difference is that THESE particular cattle are all want to be eaten. Makes your heart warm...

Ian

[harpsound]

Thanks guys, it has been fascinating how you have been able to arrive at a coherent picture as to what is happening. I have tested the theory on my site where only the index page is mildly optimised and it has this title

Solo Celtic Harp Music - Alison Vardy, Celtic Harpist

My file structure is all keywords because that was the easiest and most discernable way to remember them

The rest of the site is not optimised for key phrases except for titles

As far as I can ascertain the most valuable google keyphrases are (in order of declining adwords value)

harp music 9999
Harp music -stupidsite 100
celtic harp 65
celtic harp -stupidsite 55
celtic harp music 15
celtic harp history -stupidsite 15
harp history 1
harp history -stupidsite 1

The majority of my other phrases are regional and have improved.

harp music occurred 4x in the first paragraph plus <h1> plus 2x further down
(I did not optimise this, believe me, I was optimising celtic harp /harpist)

celtic harp occurred 3x in para1 plus <h2> plus 4x lower down

celtic harp music 2x

harp history 1x


The highest cost and most competitive top 2 key phrases got filtered/downgraded.

Contrary to Jill's advice I have separated and smoothed these phrases on my index and have re-activated my adwords ads for them as I am expecting a better click thru in these new circumstances.

My pick is it is going to be the national commercial site owners who are going to get fleeced in this new regime. The boutiques will have to get more specific or wilt in the competition. Small fry like me are low budget and low profit to google

Cheers
Stephen.

Edited by harpsound, 23 November 2003 - 01:39 AM.

[Peter]

Ian,

Perhaps it just depends on how you look at it,..

Lets ask who the clients are of a commercial tv station. The advertisers or the viewers?

The only way that advertisers are interested is by proving that the station is having lots of viewers. The product is the tv programs,.. their clients are the viewers. As a result,... advertisers are interested which benifits both the company and the viewers (money for the company which can be used to deliver better (well,. lets say more popular in this case) programs.)

The product is made for the viewers,.. not for the advertisers.

I see a search engine like this. They deliver a service to searchers and as a result, advertisers are interested. Their product is made for the searchers,.. not for the advertisers.

Peter

[awall19]

Ian,

Not that long ago I had the google search for "ham burger" in my signature. Now this could just be coincidence, but I think you are on to something.

I love the ranch bit....MOO

[joker]

Not to sound argumentative, but even if search engine users are Google's clients, its the advertisers who pay google's electric bills.

I think your tv analogy is perfect: yes, the tv station has to air popular shows or no one will watch it, but if that station did not offer value to its advertisers via "commercial interruptions" the tv station wouldn't make any money.

The value in those commercials comes from the likelihood that people will watch them. Seems to me with this philosophical shift, google is in effect, deflating the value of their "commercials (ie paid advertisements) by airing them only after the show is over, when the advertising value of the show is at its weakest.

One of the other things that bothers me about this paradigm -- if google showcases more "industry directory" sites in its SERP, wouldn't it make more sense to advertise in those directories than it would to advertise with google adwords?