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[qwerty]

I just find it odd that so many truly bad pages are doing so well right now -- right now meaning since this update began. Pages that don't load, irrelevant pages, pages with no reported backlinks are popping into the top 10 when they were nowhere to be found a couple of days ago.

What I'd like to believe is that this is step 1: bring all the trash to the top, then skim it off. If so, maybe this is the final push of a process that's been going on for months, and that has had so many of us, myself included, saying that Google is broken.

[powerofeyes]

Hello,

I just find it odd that so many truly bad pages are doing so well right now -- right now meaning since this update began. Pages that don't load, irrelevant pages, pages with no reported backlinks are popping into the top 10 when they were nowhere to be found a couple of days ago.

What I'd like to believe is that this is step 1: bring all the trash to the top, then skim it off. If so, maybe this is the final push of a process that's been going on for months, and that has had so many of us, myself included, saying that Google is broken.

I wont agree with you on this bob. I can certainly say lots of big big changes are going but I do see some excellent results there many spam sites are gone. Even though 2 of my client sites took a nose dive but all the other sites are now performing exceedingly well and all have good backlinks I probably feel the quality of links matters from now. It is just a guess I am just trying to understand what could have gone wrong and what could have changed.
And google is now trying to list more and more inner pages and sites which are there for a long time on the internet which is not so right to their algo I dont know when this is going to settle but soon I probably feel there will be a big spam clean up,
Some bad results are popping up in the SERPs but I could say it will settle down in a week or so. I think it is time for all of Us to update for google. We have been working on the same concept and achieving links so now google want to give something new to the webmasters and SEOs. So time to take up some challenge but cant really say this is the permanant one have to wait and see.
And one example I could give is for a popular keyword(website hosting) top five sites were 2 adult hosting sites, 2 indian sites which uses spam and one that was irrelavant,
Now they are nowhere in the top 100 results so there is some very big change going on after a long time in Google, Hope it is all for good.
thanks,
VIJAY.

[Jill]

In my more paranoid moments, I've been thinking that letting spammers get comfy would draw them out so you can get more with one shot.

I've been wondering the same thing for weeks, but just not sure of how they would pull it off. Should be an interesting week seeing how the results play out and if the multiple, cross-linked domains survive...

[ajeshnair]

There is a drastic change in the Google Algo. Lot of new websites with no relevant content are coming up.

I was surprised to see one of the main keyword of my client's website was dropped from #8 to #109. But it is maintaining the same position of other keywords.

I Hope this will be a temporary change.

[robwatts]

I thinks its clear to see that they have moved the goalposts, which from their point of view isn't a bad thing.

Up til this, provided that you were prepared to do the legwork and apply certain principles and do the right things, it wasn't that hard to get a good position in a G serp.

Things will no doubt settle down over the coming days, perhaps its a good idea to re-evaluate then, rather than now.

We need to remind ourselves of the old hysterics of updates gone by, and take a few steps backwards. IMO of course

<consults manual on what to do when the sky falls down>

[powerofeyes]

Hello,
Any questions or reports about the current update please contact google through the following information,
Words From GOOGLE GUY,
webmaster [at] google.com or the spam report form. use the term "floridaupdate" in the title so they can pick out reports.

thanks,
VIJAY.

Edited by scottiecl, 16 November 2003 - 09:17 AM.

[Mel]

I think Mr Mel will be very happy about this changes. One site which he said domination the SERPs for the keyword "diamond engagement rings" is now rank 25. And many more sites which he gave examples of having mirror domains and crosslinking are now in 20s. Atleast now he will be happy about google.
thanks,
VIJAY.

Nope I'm not happy Vijay, because all those sites are still in the SERPs and are as of now are back ranking #2.

But this update is far from over, so lets see what it looks like a couple of days from now.

[Mel]

Hello Everybody There is definitely a Google Update. It is nick named FLORIDA UPDATE.
AND here are some googleguy's postings. Highlight of google guy words "WE HATE OPTIMIZATION"

<edited quote>

Compiled by Vijay,

Actually Vijay, GG has NOT said they hate optimization, just the opposite in fact.

I have been particpating in that thread for many hours now, and I do not interpret it in the same manner as you. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I truly hope that when this update is done, Google will have flushed out some of the more blatent spammers at least, even if it will mean that I might have to eat a helping of humble pie.

Edited by scottiecl, 16 November 2003 - 09:19 AM.

[MakeMeTop]

Just a point everyone. Cutting and pasting from WMW (and some other forums) is in clear breach of their copyright and TOS. Some edits here may be in order by those who did this

The main feature of this update appears to be penalties on link text when in reciprocal or cross links, as far as I can see.

[SEOCub]

Just a point everyone. Cutting and pasting from WMW (and some other forums) is in clear breach of their copyright and TOS. Some edits here may be in order by those who did this 

The boss over here doesn't care about TOSh like that!
http://www.highranki...t=0

I guess it's not really enforceable beyond a point, eh?

How important are TOS' of a forum? Do they apply only within that particular forum or are they to be respected Internet-wide.

Can a parallel be drawn between cutting and pasting of posts and copying of articles or even copying of images?

I am intrigued...how does this work in what is still a vastly unregulated medium?

[powerofeyes]

Hello MakeMeTop,
WMW TOS clearly states all posting done there by any one outsite Web master world is owned by the poster itself. AND FYI what ever google guy says is used in 1000s of websites as it is and it is not any breach of TOS even if is used as it is,
If you need referance ill give but right now it is not a problem and if any admin wishes I am ready to remove it but I cant find anything wrong in it .I thought it will clear many questions made by many posters and visitors here so ill will help.

And by the way this update has thrown many sites which were crosslinking heavily that is a really good news to their algorithm,
thanks,
VIJAY

[MakeMeTop]

Rule 23: "You will not copy and retransmit any information out of these forums without first getting the permission of the original author of the message and a WebmasterWorld.com administrator."

Believe me, they will enforce this for clear abuse - and have done in the past! Specifically for GG posts. Paraphrasing one comment is fine, trying to list entire postings from a thread is (IMHO) a little over the line.

As a long standing member there, I'm only trying to make sure that everyone gets on well together.

All you had to do is link to the thread and say something like GG makes some intersting points in here.

Edited by MakeMeTop, 16 November 2003 - 07:27 AM.

[OldWelshGuy]

how enforceable is this? well I think we have a number of issues, we have the TOS of the forum they were taken from that means the copier/paster can get their access pass taken away and thrown off the copied forum. The same could happen with the forum they post INTO, you could lose your access there as well.

Copyright, ANY original work is automatically covered by copyright, this could be either of the poster, or of the forum, or even both depending on TOS.

Then you have the liability of the forum the material was posted into, they have a duty to their content as well.

So i would say in my limited experience that there are a few issues open to debate that could/could not be enforceable.

I use a BBC forum a lot, and they are MANIC about copyright of incoming material, then again it is the Beeb lol

[SEOCub]

          WMW TOS clearly states all posting done there by any one outsite Web master world is owned by the poster itself. AND FYI what ever google guy says is used in 1000s of websites as it is and it is not any breach of TOS even if is used as it is,
              If you need referance ill give but right now it is not a problem and if any admin wishes I am ready to remove it but I cant find anything wrong in it .I thought it will clear many questions made by many posters and visitors here so ill will help.

WMW also clearly states this ( http://www.webmaster...elp.cgi?cat=tos )

23. You will not copy and retransmit any information out of these forums without first getting the permission of the original author of the message and a WebmasterWorld.com administrator.

By references do you mean you have an OK from GoogleGuy to quote him and the accompanying OK of a WMW admin? Or do you mean a reference to something else from their forum?

This is very interesting as I find this very similar to content being stolen eg articles. An article is a point of view. A post is also a point of view.

What is the legal resourse that WMW has when its TOS is violated? Sue the person quoting them? Take for example, VIJAY, what does WMW or anyone here for that matter know about him except that he is from Bangalore India. If someone can't be traced how can they be held liable? Or like OWG said on another thread, not knowing is not good enough - a device exploded and there was no safety cert., even though the installer had assured the owner of the home that he had one. Both owner and installer were jailed. The owner became a 'Bad Guy'

Really, folks, how does this work?

[Mel]

Thats what the moderators are for. When (if) they become aware of violations of the TOS they should immediately make corrections as necessary, then sticky the poster and ask them to refrain from further violations, and if not their access to the forum should then be denied.