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Posted 07 January 2006 - 03:41 PM
Another question, if anyone knows, do the spiders see the article titles and treat them like a heading 1 formatting when they are published to a page through the CMS wysiwyg editor? I had the articles with Heading 1 titles but it displayed the titles twice so I removed the title from the article body. Just wondering.
Posted 07 January 2006 - 03:51 PM
It certainly doesn't hurt it you have an extra 1 minute to spare.
Does your source code show them as an H1?
Either way, it doesn't matter since there's no evidence of H1's actually helping rankings. At least not with Google.
Posted 07 January 2006 - 05:44 PM
Next question: what is the max length for a meta description?
Bonus question: should I bother repeating keywords that are in article title and meta description, or just relevant extra keywords?
Can I have one more? These are just article abstracts for paid content. Is including keywords that are in the article but not the abstract a bad idea? Will the search engines try to match keyword tags to spiderable content?
Posted 07 January 2006 - 06:16 PM
There is none.
Should you repeat them where?
No, you can do whatever you want with it.
They really just ignore the keywords tag. (For the most part.)
Have you read the Tips for Newbies articles?
Posted 07 January 2006 - 06:23 PM
Posted 07 January 2006 - 06:37 PM
However, I just checked my test for this and the nonesense word at the end of my extra long meta tag, do show up in the snippet. In fact, it works like a charm.
Let's see, the actual meta description length is 138 words, 742 characters (with spaces), 9 sentences. The word that shows up (as well as the last sentence before it), is at the very end.
It's funny, I put it up ages ago to test, and don't think I ever actually looked at the results before now.
FTR, Yahoo just shows the first 46 words (240 characters and 2.5 sentences) of my Meta description when I use the nonesense word to search.
And interestingly enough, MSN shows the bit of the Meta D. that has the word in it, but then grabs the beginning of the content on the site for the rest of the description.
Ask Jeeves shows just the one-word as the snippet, and no surrounding text.
Posted 07 January 2006 - 07:32 PM
About including keywords not in the abstract, I was wondering if the engines pick up on stuff like if you are a "black hat" spammer you would try to stuff for popular but irrelevant keywords or something, that the engines would think I was trying that, even though the keywords are relevant to the subject and full text article, but the spider would not find all those keywords in the actual abstract.
I for the most part don't bother with meta keywords for the same reason you don't, but yeah, I did have a bit of extra time on my hands today
Posted 07 January 2006 - 07:55 PM
No, I'm quite sure I didn't.
More likely I said something like more than 3 or 4 times. Of course, I wrote that article back when I still believed the Meta keyword tag might actually make a difference to anything besides misspellings.
Posted 07 January 2006 - 08:35 PM
Anyway, just figured I'd lob that in since the topic made me think about that...
Posted 09 January 2006 - 11:05 AM
There is plenty of evidence showing that H1 headers help rankings. Jill is just one of those people who don't believe in them.
Anything on your page that emphasizes specific sub-sections of text will help your rankings:
1) Title tag
2) H1 header
3) Large size font (with respect to other font sizes)
4) Bolded text
5) Outbound link anchor text
6) Italicized text
No one outside the search engines knows how much each element affects your rankings. But I have some pages that rank almost exclusively on one or two of the above elements. H1 headers and titles can be a killer combo, even in highly competitive expressions where other people are relying extensively on inbound linkage.
Posted 09 January 2006 - 11:39 AM
No, they won't. Especially if it makes your page look optimized.
Posted 09 January 2006 - 01:28 PM
Posted 09 January 2006 - 02:35 PM
H1 header tags, title tags, bolded text -- they are well documented aspects of Web page content that is used to determine what is important on the page.
None of them are "make it or break it" factors (there is no such thing, when it comes to search engine rankings).
Posted 09 January 2006 - 02:48 PM
Posted 09 January 2006 - 02:54 PM
To say they are meaningless or don't work is not the same as to say they are not mandatory or required for success.
They are meaningful, they do work, but they are not required. You can get the good rankings in any number of ways.
In the end, Jill, we still agree on that fundamental point: there is no one way to do it, and everyone has a unique site and content that is best served by a customized approach.
I'll continue to use the tags because I know they do help. Some people will continue to use links because they know the links do help. Other people will continue to use other things because they know they do help.
There is no magic, no secret, except diligence and flexibility.
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