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[Jill]

Thanks for all the suggestions guys n gals but its not quite a simple as you may think, since the site has 1500 plus handbuilt pages

Yeah, and?

Who ever said this stuff was easy? (Oh yeah...I did.)

But still, you gotta do what you gotta do, whether it's a pain in the ass or not. (I haven't looked at the site, so I'm not saying that it needs a redesign or doesn't.) Just don't like to hear excuses like "it's too much work." And that sort of thing.

If the other search engines are bringing in good traffic and converting them to paying customers, then I guess you're all set.

Jill

[powerofeyes]

Hello Mel,

If you want to learn more about this go to WMW and read some of the threads where GG explains that they are getting ready to release from penalty status those sites who cleaned up the site and asked for reinclusion.

I have gone through whole a lot of webmasterworld.com conversations and I especiall keep track of what GoogleGuy says I have so many information collected about what google guy says. Ok coming to your point what ever google guy has said is for site which were using extremely deceptive techniques like cloaking, extreme cross linking, full of hidden text. And remember those sites were totally removed and now have requested for a reinclusion.
But your site is NOT BANNED it only suffered a penalty and it doesnt need any reinclusion and will be added to the index automatically,
thanks,
VIJAY.

[Peter]

A redesign can be done page by page,.. it doesn't have to be completely different, but just start with the home page,.. That shouldn't be too difficult. All product pages can stay the way they are,... but the main 25 pages would be a good start I think.

Just my oppinion,

Peter

[Mel]

It's pretty obvious to me too, Mel.  The update is going on for all sites, and it would have been way to quickly for someone to actually intervene on this site, not that they would anyway. 

The spam was removed and it takes a few months to then get any penalties automatically removed.  Just what googleguy always says.

Jill

Hi Jill
I am not suggesting that the site (which still has a PR0 on the toolbar) has a PR in the directory due to a post from someone here, ( in fact the site had an intermittent PR in the directory a couple of days before the update started) but the threads I read from Googleguy say that the procedure is to clean up the site and then email asking for reinclusion. This was done about a month and a half ago.

I believe that the penalties may be more or less automatic (though there is plenty of evidence to suggest that at least 18 months ago they were imposed as the result of a blitz against certain types of spam) but that you will not be reincluded if you clean up your site and just wait. This would require an algo that not only detected hidden text and penalized for it but would continually monitor the site and when the infraction was cleaned up restore the sites PR and ranking.

I am sure you are aware of the blitz 18 months or so ago against hidden text and hidden links, and that the sites were not automatically restored as and when they cleaned up the site, but on a one time basis for those who cleaned up the site and emailed asking for reinclusion. I am also sure that you can see that the same level of penalizing sites for hidden text in the past 18 months has not been at the same level as during the blitz (there is plenty of it in the SERPs now).

These two facts seem to me to argue against the automatic lifting of penalties.

Edited by Mel, 16 November 2003 - 10:39 PM.

[Mel]

Hello Mel,
   
I have gone through whole a lot of webmasterworld.com conversations and I especiall keep track of what GoogleGuy says I have so many information collected about what google guy says. Ok coming to your point what ever google guy has said is for site which were using extremely deceptive techniques like cloaking, extreme cross linking, full of hidden text. And remember those sites were totally removed and now have requested for a reinclusion.
      But your site is NOT BANNED it only suffered a penalty and it doesnt need any reinclusion and will be added to the index automatically,
thanks,
VIJAY.

NO Vijay go back and read the threads on March 6 when GG is discussing that this is the way to get the PENALTY lifted for sites that were included in the hidden text and hidden links blitz of a few months before.

The site does not need to be added to the index it has 1500 pages in the index but does not RANK because of the penalty.

Edited by Mel, 16 November 2003 - 10:32 PM.

[powerofeyes]

Hello Mel,
It is nice when we leave it to our own beliefs. I believe in automated inclusions and you believe in manual inclusions so we can leave it as it is, Anyhow my point is still it is not possible for any manual inclusion of sites which are not really banned. It is clearly in the quote you provided. I have couple of more reference but I cant post it here,
So we can leave it to our own beliefs,
VIJAY.

[Mel]

I prefer not to just leave it to beliefs, I would like to get as many facts as I can before I make my mind up.

When it comes to Google the the best information I have is the rare post from Googleguy and the experience I gained in getting penalties lifted for four sites who innocently made mistakes. When I see postings which are contrary to the information I have I like to try and see if there is any substance behind those opinions, and if there is I have then learned something, if not I may take note of it, but will not discard ideas formed on the basis of fact and investigation