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[BrianR]

well if we are having a peeing contest with regard qualifications thats me out in the preliminaries

Me too, OWG - there were MUCH better things to do at school than getting qualifications!

BrianR

[GregGates]

Thank You Google,

Thank you Forum member(s), if you were one of the ones who e-mailed us off line (and said you knew someone at Google and would make a contact for us),


Well all the work, all the communication, all the 16/7/365’s and all of Mel's fine work may be beginning to pay off.

We are truly grateful, however it happened, whether by regular channels or by someone knowing somebody at Google (as many of you said in your off line e-mails, i.e. that you would try for us), there seems to be a breakthrough.

Since at least January of 2003, our site has been listed as a PR0 in our category.

Well for the first time in about what is probably 15 months, We HAVE a PR rating! Be it low, it is a start.[/B]

Mel had said for sites he has known for re-inclusion, it usually starts with a re-inclusion at a low PR, then if deserved, it will increase by the process.

Apparently they are updating many data centers, because we sometimes get the old PR0 page, and sometimes the new PR2 page.

Jill, you may be interested to know, ALL the BLATANT intentional spammers, who were in our category, have disappeared off the new page with www.ringdesigner.com showing the PR2. The Bad Guys have been run out of town.

So, as we hoped, there are some human beings at Google who care! I am going to go to mass again in the morning, because apparently there are!



Before


After




With warmest regards,

And with a MAJOR thanks, to the contributors on this thread (and those who e-mailed us off line) who were supportive, positive, and gave objective critiques. We truly appreciate it.


Greg Gates


PS: Mel had said for sites he has known for re-inclusion, it usually starts with a re-inclusion at a low PR, then if deserved, it will increase by the process.

Is this the manner as well, (low PR first, then rise in time) that some of you have seen happen for other recovering pentalized sites ??????

I think I will start Past Spammers Anonymous or PSA
Hi my name is Greg, and I was an unknowing spammer!

[Jill]

Hey Greg, that's great news!

Not to burst your bubble or anything, but it's doubtful this thread or anyone else pming you had anything to do with the changes. It's more likely that it was the normal course of events due to the new update, and the removal of the spam from your page a couple of months ago.

Good luck getting your rankings back up there!

I'm glad that it appears that Google is removing the spam pages from ranking well. It was really starting to get old having the spammers win, because it made me look like an idiot telling people to just do things the right way, and you'll be fine.

Jill

[GregGates]

Well,.. I stopped looking for problems,.. but I´m afraid that from Google's point of view,. the site is still a bad site and it needs a lot of work.

Peter, please see above, as we apparently have begun a re-inclusion process

Then there are 2 images that are just 1 pixel big in the same color as the back ground. No idea what they are doing there. (Perhaps a left over from that previous "SEO" company? That would mean they did much more than just hiding a few lines of text).

Peter, as stated, I will never call my self an experienced webmaster. But in the beginning I created in PhotoShop some "placeholders" of "spacers" (my terms) that we different heights and lengths to copy and paste when I used MS FrontPage. The one pixel on is one of those. Here are some of them:

[deleted unnecessary urls]

What I would suggest is keep the same domain, but invest some money in a completely new design. Make the complete site completely new, using an Ethical designer.

The designer was/is me. I think I am highly ethical, so I will not fire myself.


For All—Just Curious
Back in February of 2000, were our the two lines of hidden text thought of as what we know now is SEO badness???? (put there in 2000 by the folks we paid $600 to who by their references seemed to have a good organization) .

Remember, we or they never re-coded anything from that point in 2000 up to date, for their coding since 2000. I code in FrontPage. Just kept making "control A" copies to make any new index.html revison.

Edited by Jill, 16 November 2003 - 08:02 PM.

[mcanerin]

I know in the past that starting off low and then working your way back up has been the rule, but of course I've no idea what the rules as of a couple days ago would be.

Can't think of any reason to change it, though, so it seems as good a theory as any for now.

Congrats on your site. I'm inclined to believe that the recent shakeup was more responsible (plus of course the clean up of your code) than anything that a member here would accomplish.

The best a non-googleite can usually accomplish is to bring something to the attention of a G programmer and have them just double check their code against it to see if it's working properly. It would be considered more like "debugging" rather than a favor, though.

Very similar to a web designer testing on different browsers, or a video card programmer testing various games for compatibility. Take something you know would challenge the code and test it.

If it can be fixed easily, or if there are enough users affected by it, then it gets fixed. Sometimes it doesn't get fixed due to the difficulty or limited numbers of those affected. At least, not right away. Much easier to make users change their ways to conform better to the program than the other way around

The Google philosophy from day one has been to solve things via the algos, not by human intervention. With certain gross exceptions, they tend to stick to that. Usually the best way to get their attention is to point out places where the algo is buggy, rather than places where someone should do something.

My opinion, as usual,

Ian

[GregGates]

Not to burst your bubble or anything, but it's doubtful this thread or anyone else pming you had anything to do with the changes.

Jill, we will never know, one way or the other.

No mater how it happened, this e-commerce family business is thanking God for potential re-inclusion. As well as Google and anyone reading this who may have helped.

[Peter]

Just kept making "control A" copies to make any new index.html revison.

That´s why I would advise to have a new design made. I don't think you are a bad guy and want to spam,.. but a new design will be clean of what ever that SEO did.

Also,.. a new design may increase your sales,..

Regards,

Peter

[DianeV]

Good news, then.

I agree with Peter. Even if you start with a plain page and just fill it in, you'll *know* what's on the page.

I'd also take care about any of the risky techniques mentioned in this thread.

[powerofeyes]

Hello Greg,

Jill, we will never know, one way or the other.

There is nothing to know the truth obviously is that you removed spam from your site and now it is automatically included in the index. There is nothing anyone can do in this thread. There is no point in thinking anyone in thread would have mailed google to include your site.
I am very happy that you are included in the directory with a PR. Now it is time for you to make your site look a little bit better and user friendly.
May be your belief in god would have paid off what so ever now just work your way up the index and try ranking your site.
I think Mel with his experience can help you on this.

potential re-inclusion. As well as Google and anyone reading this who may have helped.

I think it is high time for you to start believe google cannot do anything automatically when it is on fighting spam. All your words just reflect your innocence and ignorance about your webmaster work. Now it is time for you to start learning something about SEO, what is right and what is wrong,
Wish you all the best for a good ranking,
thanks,
VIJAY.

[Peter]

Still one would wonder who emailed him with the claim he/she knew somebody at Google:

Thank you Forum member(s), if you were one of the ones who e-mailed us off line (and said you knew someone at Google and would make a contact for us),

whether by regular channels or by someone knowing somebody at Google (as many of you said in your off line e-mails

[Mel]

Hello Greg,


There is nothing to know the truth obviously is that you removed spam from your site and now it is automatically included in the index. There is nothing anyone can do in this thread. There is no point in thinking anyone in thread would have mailed google to include your site.
...thanks,
VIJAY.

Hi Vijay:
do you have any facts to support this idea or is it just an opinion stated as a fact?

[Mel]

Good news, then.

I agree with Peter.  Even if you start with a plain page and just fill it in, you'll *know*  what's on the page.

I'd also take care about any of the risky techniques mentioned in this thread.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys n gals but its not quite a simple as you may think, since the site has 1500 plus handbuilt pages so a redesign means months of work for Greg for a site that ranks well on all search engines (except google due to the penalty) and which used to rank #2 on Google.

Then there is the consideration that the site converts better than most sites in his business. IMO "If in ain't broke don't fix it"

[powerofeyes]

Hello Mel,

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Thank you Forum member(s), if you were one of the ones who e-mailed us off line (and said you knew someone at Google and would make a contact for us),


QUOTE 
whether by regular channels or by someone knowing somebody at Google (as many of you said in your off line e-mails

Do you have any fact for this which Mr Greg has said.

do you have any facts to support this idea or is it just an opinion stated as a fact?

If you can prove me your site is added to the index under manual intervention i will give you some facts it is not the truth, As far as my comment is concerned there are some people who cheat innocent webmaster saying I know google founder or director. All those are just stupid stuff they are in the list of unethical spammers,
thanks,
VIJAY.

[Jill]

It's pretty obvious to me too, Mel. The update is going on for all sites, and it would have been way to quickly for someone to actually intervene on this site, not that they would anyway.

The spam was removed and it takes a few months to then get any penalties automatically removed. Just what googleguy always says.

Jill

[Mel]

Vijay, Vijay, Vijay

If Greg said some forum member said they would email Google I believe him.

What I am asking is if you have any facts to back up your assertion that Google reincludes sites automatically. If you want to learn more about this go to WMW and read some of the threads where GG explains that they are getting ready to release from penalty status those sites who cleaned up the site and asked for reinclusion.