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[lurker]

I have a server with 10 IPs. Is is ok and safe to cross link my sites?

[Jill]

It depends.

Does it make sense? Is there a reason to link them? Or are you just trying to gain link pop?

If your only reason is the link pop, I'd say it's probably a bad idea. Anything you want to do strictly for the engines is always a bad idea, imo.

[roxyyo]

or ? LOL.

[sufyaaan]

It depends.

Does it make sense? Is there a reason to link them?  Or are you just trying to gain link pop?

If your only reason is the link pop, I'd say it's probably a bad idea.  Anything you want to do strictly for the engines is always a bad idea, imo.

I agree. As G states that (we should) make pages for users, not for search engines at http://www.google.co...guidelines.html.

[ewc21]

We always advocate that we build pages for human visitors but at times many of us are troubled as to whether what humans see is the same as what search engines see.

[Jill]

I agree. As G states that (we should) make pages for users, not for search engines at http://www.google.co...guidelines.html. 

Personally, as I've stated in other threads, I could care less what Google says in its guidelines. If someone needs Google to tell them what's right or wrong, then they will never quite "get it."

We always advocate that we build pages for human visitors but at times many of us are troubled as to whether what humans see is the same as what search engines see.

Not sure what that has to do with cross linking..?

[lurker]

Is there a grey hat?


Ok I see what you mean, I may link with theme sites that are on the same server.


Just trying to get a few sites indexed by G. I was crosslinking before, but I am not at the moment.

I may write some articles and submit them to get some more links to get indexed.

I was wondering if there is penatly. A true penalty to cross linking. Not just moral.
If something increases link popularity and there is no penalty. Then personally I dont see an issue.

Is there a penalty. I have 10 Ips.

[Jill]

There's only penalties for doing things that are an attempt to trick the engines somehow. Don't do that and you shouldn't have to worry.

[Randy]

Is there a penalty. I have 10 Ips.

There can be. The devil is in the details. Which is why you always see us saying to link only if it makes sense for Visitors. Take the search engines out of the equation.

Realize that the 10 IPs is not going to be anything close to a long term shield. They're still all in the same range and there are lots of other ways that the engines can ascertain the linkage (no pun intended) between the sites.

[lurker]

I think your right. Would be better to get links from completely unrelated IPs.

How long is indexing taking now?

[Randy]

Indexing is still pretty quick. Same as it's always been if you get some good incoming links.

Ranking on the other hand will take somewhere between 6 and 12 months on Google for new domains. See our [url=http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=12535]aging delay thread[/url] for more on this.

[onebillionviews]

One problem with making pages for humans is: I am sure there is a lot of really cool pages out there that are really interesting, but don't follow the rules set by search engines... and they never rank high enough to get good traffic...

One the other hand, a lot of crappy sites make it to the top

[Jill]

I am sure there is a lot of really cool pages out there that are really interesting, but don't follow the rules set by search engine

I'd have to disagree with this. What rules would those be that they are not following? The search engines don't actually have any rules other than don't deceive them when you really look at the big picture.

So if those really cool pages are attempting to trick the engines into ranking them, they really don't deserve to be ranked.

That said, there may certainly be very cool pages out there that were not designed to be crawler friendly because the designers simply didn't know better. But that has nothing to do with "rules." It simply has to do with current limitations of the search crawlers.

It's pretty simple. If you want your pages to be indexed, you have to look at the current search engine limitations and be sure that your pages won't make the spiders choke.

I'll say it again because this is the biggest misconception I hear lately:

It has nothing to do with rules.

[Randy]

I would agree with Jill, though some who make a differentiation might say that we're talking more about SEM rather than SEO.

95% of getting a site to rank well and convert is all about writing for real visitors and staying out to the way of the spiders. If the spiders can do their thing and you do yours the site/page will usually rank well eventually.

[Jill]

we're talking more about SEM rather than SEO.

You lost me there, Randy!