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Dedicated Ip Address -vs- Shared Ip Address
Posted 06 November 2003 - 12:52 PM
I read from at least one or two seemingly reliable sources that said it's imperative to have a dedicated IP address if you want to play it safe with SEO. The theory was that if you had a typical, low-cost web server host scenario, you were sharing your IP address with others. Some of those whom you are sharing it with could be SE spammers that could get you black-balled (banned) from various SEs with them if they get banned because the SEs will ban the entire IP address. My questions are:
1) Is this theory of needing a dedicated IP address an urban legend or reality?
2) Do SEs ban entire IP addresses even though there may be several web sites hosted on the same IP address?
3) I'm sure several of you (myself included) have clients that do NOT have dedicated IP addresses and they are doing fine in terms of SE rankings. But there must be some of you that have experienced this as a problem if it's true.
4) If a dedicated IP address is needed, what might be a good guess at the risk level here of using a shared IP address? High, Medium, or Low?
4) If a dedicated IP address is needed, then do any of you demand that your clients go to a dedicated IP address for fear of not being able to help them sufficiently if they have a shared IP address that is or may be in the future sharing with a SE spammer? It seems to me that if I take on a client that is on a banned IP address, I may not be able to deliver for my client, thus the need to make this demand to the client.
5) Lastly, what is the typical cost for a dedicated IP address?
Posted 06 November 2003 - 01:00 PM
You can have an RAQ4 server for less than £50 a month in the UK, but there the trouble will start with all this geo targeting nonsense, how much easier would that have been had they created a geo tag that the bots could have read and interpreted, allowing designers to code in the geographic appeal of their choice? dear me
Posted 06 November 2003 - 01:03 PM
On one of these sites, there had been a history of the site crashing, and apparently that had been caused by another site on that server running what the host referred to as "bad code". I don't know if that means they were doing something that could get them in trouble with search engines, or if they were just doing something that caused the server to hang. But it had me worried that, had I been sharing my IP address with such a site, it could get my site in trouble.
The general advice I got was that, while having your own IP address is better for a number of reasons, search engines go more by domain names than IP addresses.
I'm curious to see what people on this forum have to say about it. The thread I'm speaking of can be seen here.
Posted 06 November 2003 - 01:07 PM
Posted 06 November 2003 - 04:37 PM
I don't believe this is a problem any longer as search engines have evolved and are now able to index sites whether they are virtually hosted or have their own IP address.
Besides this I have never seen any issues where sharing an IP address hindered SEO efforts. I have heard stories about it though but do not know whether they are true or not.
Web hosting companies typically like to host sites without a dedicated IP address because of the shortage of IPs available and the price they have to pay for them. Usually for a little extra though, you can have a dedicated IP. If you have a shopping site that will need SSL, you will need a dedicated IP address, I believe.
So whether you have one or not does not have any effect on SEO efforts in my experience. However, if you can get your own IP address, do so. IMO it is a better option than sharing the same IP with many other people of which you do not have any idea what they are doing. We have dedicated IPs for our three company sites as well as the vast majority of the sites we host for clients.
Posted 06 November 2003 - 04:45 PM
I am not sure if you mean just shared IP addresses or dynamic IP addresses. I do not see any problem (SEO-wise) with shared IP address. The fact is that the web world is expanding and the current xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address scheme is not going to grow any time soon. Having said that, I am not sure how things are with dynamic IP address, i.e. the address you would get if you host your site on a server space provided by most ISPs (Comcast, Earthlink, etc.).
Posted 06 November 2003 - 04:48 PM
It's unlikely to affect the average person using this, though. The odds are really heavy against all your best linking fans/customers being hosted on the same server. But I suppose it could happen in a small town with one ISP.
That said, I have a shared IP server with my own site and with a fairly highly ranked charity site (among many others). I link to them once, and they have a link to me, and there has never been a problem. I imagine there is a threshold of some sort. Certainly only a few of my customers link to me (and none to each other, that I know of) so that may affect how it's looked at in this case.
I'm fairly certain that if every site on the server started linking to every other site the IP would be flagged. And rightly so.
Posted 06 November 2003 - 06:02 PM
Since we're talking about web hosts, has anyone have any info on a UK company called 1&1.com (http://www.1and1.com)? I read in PC World where they have a promotion going on between now and the end of the year for 3 years of free web hosting (yes, 3 YEARS), they don't take any credit card or payment info up front (since you aren't paying for anything for 3 years), AND they claim you can bolt from them at any time.
They say they are making this offer because they believe that most of the people they offer this to will stick with them long term after the 3 years are over after they see their alledged outstanding web hosting services.
The offer is NOT for a dedicated IP address, however. Since I'm just getting my SEO site up (finally!), I thought this might be a good temp solution until I get a dedicated IP address when I generate more revenue in my business.
However, I keep coming back to the old addage, "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't." Anyone have any experience with these guys?
Posted 06 November 2003 - 06:14 PM
I'd also be interested in knowing what experiences (if any) anyone here has had with them...
Posted 06 November 2003 - 06:22 PM
I know quite a few people who use them and as i say, only heard of 1 bad tale so why not use them? Check on domain name ownership though and/or transfer away fees as this is one of the things some people in the uk do to earn bucks.
Posted 06 November 2003 - 06:46 PM
Because all the fine print of the deal was not revealed up front (major pet peave of mine), I set up a bogus individual account with them to see if they did actually not ask for any credit card or other payment info. Surprisingly, they did NOT ask for any. I just hope the bogus email address I gave them isn't live, but I doubt it is. I don't normally do that kind of stuff, but if a company isn't going to state their terms prior to asking for my contact info, I've got to do what I got to do to get that info (within the realm of not breaking the law, of course).
Any way, the sign up process was virtually painless. However, the terms of the account were in a small dialogue box with a scroll bar. I copied it into Word, enlarged the font to 9 pt. from 7 pt. (who can read 7-pt. font copy?) and it turned out to be an 8-page doc. Yikes! Certainly not abnormal, I'm sure, but to place 8 pages of text in one of those tiny boxes that you have scroll through should be a crime. That just makes me think they don't want me to read it.
Any way, I think I'll give them a legit shot and I'll let you all know in a couple of weeks if I have any problems. Since I don't have my site designed yet, it's not like I'll be posting any content yet, but I can report on bogus claims, terms, etc.
Posted 06 November 2003 - 06:53 PM
So, what they hey. I'll give 'em a shot.
It's kindof a complicated process. You sign up through the site. They send you an e-mail, directing you to a page where you enter a phone number that will be available for approximately the next 15 minutes. Their automated system calls that number and reads out to you a PIN. You log back in to their site using the PIN. Their server then sends you ANOTHER e-mail telling you how to actually log in to your *account* so that you can start doing stuff.
It says you can only activate one account per phone number. Presumably, if you've got several phone numbers available, you could activate any number of accounts -- unless they're also checking addresses or something. Interesting. We've got three land lines and two cell numbers here, maybe I should give it a try...
Posted 06 November 2003 - 07:02 PM
Thanks for the additional info.
I see that they are entering people who refer others to their promotion into a drawing to win a trip or something like that. If you want, send me your contact info (name and whatever info you think they might ask from me about you as my referrer) via the Forum email and I'll tell them you referred me so you can sign up to win a trip.
If you win and go on a fabulous trip, you will need to snap at least one photo to send to me and show me what I missed out on.
If you think you have a better shot at winning the lottery and have the same bad luck at drawings as I do, then feel free to ignore this offer.
Posted 07 November 2003 - 03:12 PM
One more thing that does look interesting about this account -- if what I'm reading is correct, you can use the account to host more than one website (each with its own domain). You just set up different subdirectories for each site and then point each domain to the appropriate directory. I have something similar with my current account at pairNetworks. The price at pair is quite reasonable, I had thought, but it's really hard to beat "free".
What I don't know is how the IP address situation works (just to bring it back to the original topic of this thread, at least marginally). At pair, IIRC, each account gets its own IP address, so even though you are physically sharing a server with others, you have your own unique IP. Dunno how it will work with 1&1.
If it is true that one can host multiple domains/websites on this free account, that could be a terrific cost savings for those of us who do have multiple domains.
Posted 01 December 2003 - 03:58 AM
First post here and am glad to see that different forums have such a diverse view on various SEO topics.
Anyways, regarding unique IP's. I have found that this is a definite bonus if you have numerous sites and you cross-link them. Some people are against cross-linking but I figure its what the internet's all about so I'm for it...
If you only have a few sites on the same IP cross-linked you may not have a problem but my threshold is 5+ sites. This is not a proven method but feels right for me.
So, for the marginal cost of having a unique IP for each site, it seems worth it even if the benefit is small.
The only downside I can see is making sure you have clean IP's. If they are recycled from spam site or porn sites etc. you may run into problems potentially.
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