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[nicuz]

When submitting an article to different submission directories, won’t this trigger the duplication penalty? You may slightly change the articles (change order of paragraphs, sentences, use synonyms ), but do you have to do this every time for the same article? Can you submit let’s say an article to 5 different directories, than change the paragraphs and submit to another 5…or change the article every time you submit it?

Thanks

[Michael Martinez]

The duplication penalty is actually a filter. It just means that the search engines will try to show only one result per query, rather than all of them (although sometimes the duplicates will come up as Supplemental Results).

It is generally assumed that if a search engine identifies two pages as being identical, that at most only one of their links will help. But linkage can help drive traffic from a content site's visitors alone, so don't get links just for the search engines.

[discountdomains]

I think the filter is principly aimed at internal pages within websites, if an article is submitted to 100's of ariticle directories all the versions of it get treated as seperate content, provided the pages themselves are not identical ie different style sheets etc.

Clare

[Jill]

won’t this trigger the duplication penalty?

There's no such thing.

[rominosj]

If you have repeated articles in your sites and these sites are hosted in the same server, you might get into trouble as that might alert search engines and make them think you are creating minisites only to increase your main sites rank and popularity.

[Jill]

If you have repeated articles in your sites and these sites are hosted in the same server, you might get into trouble as that might alert search engines and make them think you are creating minisites only to increase your main sites rank and popularity.

I disagree with this. It shouldn't be a concern, in my opinion.

[nicuz]

Ok I see...so the penalty is out of the question...

But what impact does this have over my website's rank and popularity? This is the main reason we submit articles to directories right? To get links to our website and to increase our rank and popularity...Correct me if I'm wrong.

So is having the same article all over the internet going to help you?

[Jill]

I don't mean to sound flippant, but it seems odd that you're doing something like submitting articles without really knowing why you're doing it. (Good that you're finding out now though!)

I don't submit my articles, but many people publish them and it's great because it shows that I'm an authority on my topic. It also brings many people to my site through the bio links, and it gets many new subscribers to my newsletter.

It certainly helps with link popularity as well. Because it's people essentially voting for my site by the very fact that they want to publish my articles with my link back.

[nicuz]

Hmmm...

This is what I know about publishing articles:

- your site is new, it has 0 visitors/day
- your pr is of course 0

So how do you get some traffic to get you started? Link exchange probably won't work becase nobody will want to link to a new site with a PR of 0 (there are exceptions of course).

So you submit articles to some high PR directories...you get traffic, and hopefully some PR and popularity.

What do you think of this Jill?

[Jill]

Well it's a good idea if you have the qualifications to write articles, and you have something interesting to write about.

[jaynaud]

Wow, this is a hidden Gem of a forum... lots of good discussion.

I just have to comment on this.. duplicate content is the most overrated scare out there.

I am friends with many successful internet marketers, making well into the 5 digits per month and a huge portion of thier traffic comes from creating sites that have othere peoples content. Think about this.. when a press release is submitted to prweb and the other big distributors, if the theory of duplicate content was around, then prweb would probably be the only site that appears when the title of the press relaease is searched for. Does this happen.. NO.

[snip]

Now there is a caveat... you really should add some unique content to your sites.. the reason is the results for myself have seemed very good. A mixture of yours and others content really works well.

Use sites like [sites removed] to find relevant articles, put them in with some unique content and you can grow your site in a way that google and the rest love it. Speaking of this I got a report from Frank Kern about this software that Jason Potash & Marc Quarles are giving away for free and so far it is pretty cool for grabbing aritcles for your site. The report is intersting but I kind of skimmed it and went for the free software .

Anyway to me the bigger issue is ensuring you have relevant one way links and not just using link farm systems. My sites that have good relevant one way links are doing better now then before jagger happened and they all contain some reprint (duplicate) content. Also ensure you are constantly growing your site (slowly) and you will do well. A good way to grow it is add a discussion or blog and have posts added regularly. I use wordpress, joomla and xoops and they all work great.


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Edited by Jill, 13 November 2005 - 11:42 AM.

[Debra]

So how do you get some traffic to get you started? Link exchange probably won't work becase nobody will want to link to a new site with a PR of 0 (there are exceptions of course).

Consider this: If you're writing articles and distributing as a way to attract links, it would make a lot of sense to add all these articles to your site, categorize them for easy reference and then annouce to the world they're there by sending out a press release or crafting personal emails to the journalists/bloggers in your niche.

Builds content and makes your site worth linking to while generating traffic off the publicity generated through the release/emails. I think using articles this way is more effective for the long run and easier than spending time trying to find quality sites to host them. If the articles and the site are any good, they'll attract the links on their own.

[jaynaud]

This is not in defense of a so called "Duplicate Content Penalty" (I think this is a hugely overblown issue) but something i find really effective to do is create two forms of one article.

The first is the one I put on my site and the second is the ones I submit to the search engines. No this is not because of any penalty i am afraid of but rather because the large article directories are very highly rated in the search engines and it would be hard for my site to rank higher then that site.. so instead of being ranked lower then the article directory site, i let the article directories I submit to fight it out and I submit an altered article.

Now as for duplicate content.. if that was true then when i enter in my article title and find 1500 results in the search engine (all sites showing the article) does that not go against the theory., If the duplicate content issue was true then I would only find 1 with my article in it.

[Michael Martinez]

...The first is the one I put on my site and the second is the ones I submit to the search engines. No this is not because of any penalty i am afraid of but rather because the large article directories are very highly rated in the search engines and it would be hard for my site to rank higher then that site.....

Much still to learn about the ways of SEO you have, my young apprentice.

Now as for duplicate content.. if that was true then when i enter in my article title and find 1500 results in the search engine (all sites showing the article) does that not go against the theory., If the duplicate content issue was true then I would only find 1 with my article in it.

It is not easy to identify duplicate content, but the search engines tag a lot of it despite what you see slip past their watchful algorithms.

Of the duplicate content that IS tagged, quite often you can find many copies in the main search results for non-competitive phrases.

[jaynaud]

Much still to learn about the ways of SEO you have, my young apprentice.

It works well for me but I would love to learn your thoughts.